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Hey guys, quick question about teleporting through a monolith after you've failed your WBB rolls:

Let's say you have two units of wraiths and a monolith. One unit of wraiths is wiped out by shooting. The other unit is reduced to 1 model by shooting. You roll your WBB and you get 1 back in the unit that didn't get wiped, leaving you 2 wraiths. Then, you roll your WBB on your second unit and get 2 back. They must join the unit that is closest to them, so you have a unit of 4 wraiths now and 2 'downed' wraiths still. Now, if you pull the unit of 4 wraiths through the monolith portal, who gets to re-roll their WBB?

Do both of the downed wraiths get to try again? Or since the wording of the rule is "a Necron unit is at least partially within. . .may phase out and re-emerge from the portal. Any models in that unit that failed their WBB roll, may re-roll. . ." does that mean that only models that were a part of the original Necron unit get to re-roll?

Technically, the last model in the wiped wraith unit isn't and never was a "a model in that unit that failed their WBB roll". They were in a separate unit altogether. Although the unit now contains models from their unit, the ones that failed weren't in the unit. It seems to me that it would only be the original unit that gets their re-rolls.

It seems like your unit has to exist in order to be pulled through the monolith, so only the 1 downed wraith who was part of the 2nd, non wiped unit could be pulled through

puma713 wrote:Do both of the downed wraiths get to try again? Or since the wording of the rule is "a Necron unit is at least partially within. . .may phase out and re-emerge from the portal. Any models in that unit that failed their WBB roll, may re-roll. . ." does that mean that only models that were a part of the original Necron unit get to re-roll?

As Nosferatu said, the unit has to exist to teleport, so only the wraith in the unit that had 1 remaining and which now has 4 wraiths could teleport through the monolith to attempt an additional WBB.

Think of it this way, take your original question, 1 unit wiped out, the other reduced to 1 wraith. The unit that was wiped out fails all their WBB rolls. Could they attempt to teleport through the portal for another WBB? No because there is no unit, just debris on the tabletop.

time wizard wrote:

puma713 wrote:Do both of the downed wraiths get to try again? Or since the wording of the rule is "a Necron unit is at least partially within. . .may phase out and re-emerge from the portal. Any models in that unit that failed their WBB roll, may re-roll. . ." does that mean that only models that were a part of the original Necron unit get to re-roll?

Think of it this way, take your original question, 1 unit wiped out, the other reduced to 1 wraith. The unit that was wiped out fails all their WBB rolls. Could they attempt to teleport through the portal for another WBB? No because there is no unit, just debris on the tabletop.

Right - but the reason the question came up in the first place was because a part of that former unit moved through the portal. But, I suppose the parts of that former unit are now another unit altogether and have no ties to that last wraith crumpled on the battlefield.

puma713 wrote:Right - but the reason the question came up in the first place was because a part of that former unit moved through the portal. But, I suppose the parts of that former unit are now another unit altogether and have no ties to that last wraith crumpled on the battlefield.

Look at page 13 Codex:Necrons under WBB. The repaired Necrons are placed in coherency with the nearest unit of the same type and once joined to that unit it moves, etc. with it for the rest of the game. So the Necron that is left is not a part of any unit and only Necron Units can be teleported through the portal for another shot at WBB.

puma713 wrote:

time wizard wrote:

puma713 wrote:Do both of the downed wraiths get to try again? Or since the wording of the rule is "a Necron unit is at least partially within. . .may phase out and re-emerge from the portal. Any models in that unit that failed their WBB roll, may re-roll. . ." does that mean that only models that were a part of the original Necron unit get to re-roll?

Think of it this way, take your original question, 1 unit wiped out, the other reduced to 1 wraith. The unit that was wiped out fails all their WBB rolls. Could they attempt to teleport through the portal for another WBB? No because there is no unit, just debris on the tabletop.

Right - but the reason the question came up in the first place was because a part of that former unit moved through the portal. But, I suppose the parts of that former unit are now another unit altogether and have no ties to that last wraith crumpled on the battlefield.

As others have said, this is pretty much correct. The unit is gone once all models in it are down and awaiting WBB, regardless to how they obtain their WBB rolls at that point (tomb spyder within 12" + another like unit on board, or another like unit withing 6" of them).