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Hello Dakka

I've started making an 500 PT csm list, which needs to be competitive. But a few things just don't work out yet. So could you guys help a csm newb out with his first list?


HQ:

Kharn the betrayer 165 pt

Troops:

9 Khorne Bezerkers 189 pt
w/ Chaos Rhino 35 pg

4 Chaos Space Marines
Aspiring Champion w/ power weapon 105 pt

494 point total

I think this is a pretty good first list, which can really hit hard. Any advice though?


Thanks in advance (:




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Also, should i go with kharne or drop him for a deamon prince?


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Please help me out?

Try to make an anti horde list when playing against my guard
Think like this: Waste too many points on absolutly nothing.
BTW: Is this your basis for a 1250 points list?

Jup, I think i'll be upgrading from this list.

Something to point out is your group of 4 will be walking across the map, so they may get plinked off

I'd say ditch Kharn as in 500pts he is too expensive, try adding in more basic Csm and use a minimalist cc lord to keep points down, just my two cents

Wardragoon wrote:Something to point out is your group of 4 will be walking across the map, so they may get plinked off

I know, but that's a risk i'm willing to take. The group of 4 is mainly to shoot down weak squads.

I'd say ditch Kharn as in 500pts he is too expensive

Well, by ditching kharn I can get a lot more units. But on the other hand, Kharn is a real beast and should easily be able to destroy squad after squad in a 500 pt battle.

However if the majority of games are based on objectives people will bring enough troops that even a cc beast like Kharn will get bogged down, or gunned down pretty quickly in small games.
As an example in my local store i know many players myslef included who field hordes of troops with lighter hq's in smaller games often gunning down those who field super powerful units in a few turns.
However it could be an effective tactic but remember you cannot assault out of the rhino leaving you in the open for a turn and Kharn can kill member of your unit if your dice rolls are pretty shoddy (me rolling snkaes to wound with a pfist)

Yeah, you've got a point.

Think it would be a good idea to drop kharn and the khorne bezerkers and switch him for a dp and some plaguebearers?

Dp yes, daemons imho no they die quickly and easily only having 5++, maybe add in more Csm with plasmas or flamers depending on preference


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Here's how I'd set up the list:
Hq
Chaos Lord - mark of nurgle terminator armour dual lc's 150pts

Troops
10 Csm - 2x plasma gun 180pts
10 Csm - 2x meltagun 170pts

Total: 500pts

vleermie wrote:Think it would be a good idea to drop kharn and the khorne bezerkers and switch him for a dp and some plaguebearers?

Yes and no. Do you mean Plague Marines? (Plague Bearers are daemons, yes?)

If I were to make a 500 list, it'd be close to TheMightyDilks's list:

Low point HQ (lash)
Rhino'd CSM crew with 2 PGs.
Plague Marines with PGs.

The transport helps with mobility in a *really* empty 4x4 table, empty of enemies.

Brotherekose has a valid point, as rhinos are viable in low point games due to lack of decent at

Yes, I indeed meant plague marines instead of plague bearers ^^

and it looks like a pretty solid list to me, but I'm not really sure whenever I'm going to keep the plague marines instead of the bezerkers

In smaller games its about bodies on the table, and you do not want to take expensive choices like dp PM or berserkers in 500pts imho, as being massively outnumbered by an ork horde isnt the best thing ever, as at 6pts basic you can get nearly 4 orks for the price of 1 PM (a massive difference)

TheMightyDilks wrote:In smaller games its about bodies on the table, and you do not want to take expensive choices like dp PM or berserkers in 500pts imho, as being massively outnumbered by an ork horde isnt the best thing ever, as at 6pts basic you can get nearly 4 orks for the price of 1 PM (a massive difference)

I know, but i'm a huge fan of fluff and elite-bad ass HQ's

I'd rather lose a game while my HQ could kick some ass then winning with an army without any 'special' units.

If its just for fun then by all means do that, just my 2 cents on smaller games

A cheap prince or lash sorc are probably the most overall effective HQs at low-points, but Kharn's not a bad HQ at any size. He's bad news in HtH, and pretty cheap. His biggest drawback is killing your own guys, and when you've only got two squads on the table, that hurts! Be sure to detach him from his "delivery" squad before they assault.

I agree with the others about good lists- 20 CSMs is a sold core, as would be one squad in a Rhino and one on foot. Or even two smallish squads in Rhinos.

See: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/339195.page

Agreed with the lash on above post, and 20 Csm are great troops, personally dislike Kharn and i guess rhinos are useful but dont use them myself