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Hy guys... Quick one:
Do you get effects of furious charge if you are charged and manage pass leadership for your counterattack?

No. You get exactly what is stated yo uget when you pass counterattack, the additional attack "as if" you had charged.

You cannot get furious charge because you arent ACTUALLY assaulting.

^+1, that is, no +2 A for blood claws, no +2 I for living ram, etc...

Just +1 attack, as stated in BRB.

Actually blood claws would get +2A, as they get that instead of the normal +1 attack. This acts as a specific override to the BRB override.

You just dont get anything else, just bonus attacks as if you had charged.

I think they get +2 attacks ON CHARGE, and counter-attack says you get +1 attack, not as many attacks as you would get by charging, or get your special attack bonus like you were charging..

I mean, counter-attack is not a "whether you charge or not, you count as charging" rather than a simple attack bonus for defending units.

It might be confusing, since there is the possibility of moving counter-attacking models, and that leads to thinking of it as a charging movement, rather than simply joining CC.

I have not an english BRB, but the one I have clearly dodges the chance of saying "counts as charging" but says "get +1 additional attack", if its meaning was lost in translation, please quote, if possible, the original paragraph, so I can stand corrected or stay in my opinion.

The English BRB talks about "as if assaulting" (which is why the question about furious charge question keeps getting asked) and obtaining the bonus attacks as if you were charging.

If Blood Claws "count as charging" in terms of obtaining the bonus attack they would get +2A. Unfortunately BRB is at home...

nosferatu1001 wrote:Unfortunately BRB is at home...

So I guess you are posting from work...

Seriously, that would make some units "the ever-charging ones", since there's no way they won't get those extra bonuses (ok, shooting them down would suffice), slightly unbalancing their cost.

I just had an idea, a new USR for anti CC armies, it is called "restraining order" and forces enemy units to FAIL a leadership test in order to be able to charge a unit with that rule.

i do believe that this was faqed by gw.

you get +1A you do not get furious charge.

the blood claws thing i dont know for sure i would have to read the wording. but i would be inclinded to say they would get +1 not 2.

Enk - only SW have such large numbers of Counter Assault units, and they still need to pass a Ld check to benefit from it - for example most units are Ld8, unless you put a wolf guard with them, which increases chance of failure significantly.

BGB p.74 wrote:If the test is successful all models in the unit get the +1 assault bonus to their attacks, exactly as if they too had assaulted that turn.

That's a little ambiguous. It says you get the bonus attacks as if you assaulted, but also specifically calls out that you get +1.

Also:

SW FAQ wrote:Q. Does Ragnar Blackmane’s Insane Bravado
work if his unit Counter-attacks?
A. No, Insane Bravado only works when Ragnar
Blackmane assaults.

This seems to be the opposite of nos's statement. It's not quite on point, as it's talking about Ragnar and not Blood Claws. But, the same logic should apply, right?

Logic and GW FAQs?

Or, when all else fails, check the Codex!

SW Codex, page 25:

They receive +2 attacks when they charge rather than the normal +1. This bonus may not be claimed when launching a counter-attack - even Blood Claws aren't that fast!

Bah, trust me to forget they actually bothered to answer that one. Mind you, hardly ever seeing blood claws means I have sort of an excuse....

nosferatu1001 wrote:Bah, trust me to forget they actually bothered to answer that one. Mind you, hardly ever seeing blood claws means I have sort of an excuse....

+1

Who could possibly imagine GW would actually address rules interactions directly and on point?

Thanks for the find puma!

An old version of the SW FAQ allowed FC and Counterattack to be used together, but the current one on the site doesn't, just to be perfectly clear.

There's also a tidbit about it in the updated Rulebook FAQ:

Q: Does a unit that successfully passes its counter-attack
Leadership test count as charging for all purposes? (p74)
A: No. They just gain the +1 assault bonus to their Attacks

^'Nuff said.