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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/12 01:30:05
Subject: Eldar on foot? sure. 2000 pts.
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Hardened Veteran Guardsman
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I know "Footdar" is not so competitive. And I know how easily it can get torn apart. But it sure looks beautiful. I already started working on the models for this army. It's pure fun for me!
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Eldrard: 210 pts.
Avatar: 155 pts.
Elites
5 Fire Dragons= 80 pts.
7 Harlequins: Shadowseer, all have kisses= 184 pts.
Troops
10 Wraithguard: Warlock with Conceal, Spiritseer= 396 pts.
10 Dire Avengers: Exarch with Bladestorm and Dual Avenger Catapults= 152 pts.
10 Dire Avengers: Exarch with Bladestorm and Dual Avenger Catapults= 152 pts.
10 Guardians: Scatter Laser = 95 pts.
5 Jetbikes: 1 with Shuriken Cannon = 120 pts.
Heavy Support
Wraithlord: Eldar Missile Launcher, Bright lance = 155 pts.
2 Eldar War Walkers: each have 2 Scatter Lasers = 120 pts.
Falcon: holo-field, spirit stones, scatter laser = 175 pts.
Total = 1994 pts.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2011/01/12 01:41:23
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/12 02:05:05
Subject: Eldar on foot? sure. 2000 pts.
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Awesome Autarch
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Footdar are not as weak as many people like to say. There are a lot of players out there that have done very well, winning GTs, with them.
I play Footdar, too. They are good fun.
On the whole, your list looks solid, but here are my suggestions:
Give the Wraithlords Enhance instead of conceal. You can use the Harlies as a screening unit to give the WG a save, and the harlies won't be seen. Eldrad can join them to turn invisible, too. Conceal isn't bad though on this unit by any means. When Fortuned, they will be a tough nut to crack. Often though, even without screening Harlies, you can get a 4+ pretty easily. Enhance allows them to swing before I4, which can be super useful.
I prefer to take naked Dires instead of the bladestorm variety. Naked Dires will put out 33% more shots per game than bladestorm dires and cost 31 points less. Bladestorm can be really useful, but if you drop bladestorm from both units you can free up enough points to get the third WW with twin s.lasers which will give you a lot more utility.
The 5 man unit of bikes is a bit unwieldy. Yes, they take a break test only after two casualties, but with their giant bases, they are a lot harder to hide and keep out of assault. I prefer to run them in a 3 man squad naked, or in a 4 man squad with this setup:
J.Bikes x 3, S.Cannon, Warlock, Destructor, Spear.
That unit for 134 points is incredibly useful. Fast, scoring, anti infantry and anti tank. The spear in HtH on rear armor of a tank is brutal.
I would drop the guardian squad for a unit of Rangers as they win games. They sit on an objective independent of the rest of the army and go to ground when anything farts in their general direction. The only real use of the guardians is as a bubblewrap unit that can also shoot fairly well.
Falcon?!?!?! Heresy! This isn't Mechdar, this is Sparta!! I mean, Footdar!
Just kidding, I have experimented with a single Falcon, too. In any other circumstance I would say a single vehicle is a terrible idea, but Falcons are just so hard to kill. The only thing you may want to consider though is the cheaper, and nearly as resilient Waveserpent as the Falcon will be getting pinged a lot with HW's. It most likely won't be shooting often.
Well, I hope that helps. Good luck with it, and do the mighty, mighty Footdar proud! Just remember: every time you win with them, you prove the internet wrong! I hardly ever lose with mine (not trying to brag as I am sur eno one gives a hoot about my W/L ratio) but people still hate on the pointy eared space elves.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/12 02:13:10
Subject: Eldar on foot? sure. 2000 pts.
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Hardened Veteran Guardsman
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thanks!
I will definitely test out my options.
I also guess, the thing with "footdar" is how the terrain on the table looks. Cover is my friend.
I threw in the Falcon to carry the Fire Dragons for killing off a pesky Land Raider that's trying to get in my face.
As far as the Guardian Squad, I thought "Footdar" requires a screen in front of the Wraithguard to insure they survive a couple turns before getting in range of their wraithcannons. I could be mistaken though. i am new to this army and list. Automatically Appended Next Post: oops...you did say use the Harlies as a screen for Wraithguard. I didn't consider that. Sounds like a cool idea!
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2011/01/12 02:22:15
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/12 02:29:51
Subject: Eldar on foot? sure. 2000 pts.
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Awesome Autarch
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It doesn't require a screening unit, although it can be hugely useful. WG are pretty dang tough. You can walk them right up the board and so long as they have cover and fortune, they are really, really hard to shift. I have seen that unit run with Eldrad attached (as he doesn't have FoF, either) and he cna be used for wound allocation purposes.
The Falcon/FD combo works well, no doubt. Plus it is a great objective contester. For my FDs, I run two squads of 5 with an Exarch with firepike and crack shot. He is SOOOO useful. I know the 5 man naked squad is all the rage, but for me, that BS5 18" melta gun that ignores cover (including going flat out and smoke) is so worth it. He carries the squad for me. I run mine on foot behind the guardian screen (I don't use WG, although they work great in the list, I use a giant Guardian squad as a walking screen).
The Harlie screen works well though as with veil most units won't be able to see them and Harlies take a charge like champs against most units. Just be wary of fast flamers and such as Harlies drop like flies.
I would definitely drop that jetbike squad down to 3 though, the other two guys don't add much. Better to take 2 more Harlies by a long shot, IMO.
Also, you really should think about grabbing that third WW. That unit puts out stupid firepower. When guided, they average 18 strength 6 hits. That is a dead transport a turn.
The only other thing I can think of with your list, is that you have a lot of units that require Farseer support.
Avatar needs to be fortuned or he goes down real quick. He keeps your army fearless and he's a beast in HtH. The WWs are fragile as hell and need fortune and guide. Your opponent will be targeting these guys as target priority number 1 in most cases as they put out so much firepower but are easy to destroy.
Your screening unit needs Fortune too, to stay in the game.
So, you have 3 units that really need Fortune, and only 2 to give out a turn. That is why i would suggest the harlies screen as they give a 4+ cover but can't be shot in return. That frees up Eldrad to help out the Avatar and the WWs.
You could drop the WWs for a 2nd WL as they don't need help, but you lose a lot of firepower.
Anyway, ahah, that might be information overload. In general though, it is a very fun army to play but you have to be ultra careful with it. A definite thinking man's army. You will come to hate templates and blast weapons! But smart play will really mitigate this.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/12 08:14:46
Subject: Eldar on foot? sure. 2000 pts.
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Hardened Veteran Guardsman
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Thanks again for the tips! I learned a lot!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/12 09:26:25
Subject: Re:Eldar on foot? sure. 2000 pts.
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Sneaky Striking Scorpion
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Good comments reecius.
I just have one thing to note. One of the big problems with Footdar is target saturation. Only 2 MC's and one falcon makes target priority for your opponent pretty easy. I have found the most success with maxxed out WraithLords.
This is just my feeling on it. When i start a Foot Eldar list I start with the following:
Avatar
10 Wraithguard with lock
3 Wraithlords EML + BL or EML/BL + Wraithsword
This is the base. Next option would be fortune-seer/Eldrad (usually Eldrad).
Then add Guardians. Lots of them. Put them all in the fearless bubble and make some of the guardian squads Stormguardians since they are better in CC (not much, but they are with the 2 attacks) and they add anti-horde support thanks to the 2 flamers and destructor lock.
With 4 MC's walking across the board your opponent will be hard pressed to deal with them and this usually leads to tactical mistakes.
This is my 2k footdar list for reference:
Avatar
Eldrad
10 Harlies, 10 Kisses, Shadowseer
10 x Wraithguard, Lock, Enhance
10 Storm Guardians, 2 Flamer, Destructor Lock
10 Storm Guardians, 2 Flamer, Destructor Lock
10 Guardians, BL platform
10 Guardians, BL platform
5 Pathfinders
3 x WraithLord, EML Wraithsword
Lots of big shooting, tough bodies and 40 fearless troop models with fair dakka. Harlies work wonders on the counter-charge.
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