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Hi in the Black Templar codex it tells me *terminator Honours* ads +1 Attack & +1 to Leadership. Above that it grants the right to wear terminator Armour.

Alright a normal BT space marines only has 1 attack & 8 in Leadership. My logic tells me that when a terminator Squad allready has 2 Attacks & a leadersip of 9 so is allready counting the *Terminator Honours* Buff.

Any unit in my codex that has access to the armoury can take the *terminator Honours*. Okay so far so good.
But for instance a black templar Commander/Marshal that starts out with allmost nothing has to buy wargear for points. He then buys the *Terminator Honours* ok.
Now heres my question. Since it ads +1 Attack & +1 to Leadership and he didnt start out with it as a wargear if it counts as one * Does he get the +1 Attack & +1 to Leadership to his allready +3 attack and 10 Leadeship stats,
making it +4 attacks & 11 Leadership*????

No he does not get the leadership bonus, the Terminator Honours rule states that only models with a leadership below 9 get an increase to 9. Anyway 10 is as high as you can go so leadership 11 is illegal. He will however get the bonus attack taking the total to 4.

Oh Yeah forgot about the 10 limit cap but hey 1 more attack is great!.

Does that count with with 2 CC weapons as well? making it 5 attacks or is that allready counted?


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ofcourse CC weapons only count in the assault

Yes you will get the +1 attack for having two close combat weapons as usual, assuming you've taken two close combat weapons of course.

So far as I understood from other posts was I can pick any gear I like, just as long as only 1 is 2-handed weapon and not going above the 100 points of wargear cap on the HQ choices. so if i give him Power Sword + Bolt Pistol then a Storm bolter on the side meaning he can change weapons from the storm bolter to the 2 CC weapons on the assault. But the draw back was he doest get the +1 on charge. is that correct?


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So Terminator honours +1 attack
CC weapons +1 attack

adding the +3 attacks he has to 5?

My understanding of the wargear rules is that you can have up to 1 one handed weapon and 1 two handed weapon or 2 1 handed weapons.

well thats isnt what I hear. some people say that you can infact have as many weapons as you like but only 1 2-handed weapon per HQ


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If they allowed to change that is


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any one else that can confirme?

You dont "change" weapons when you charge in; assuming you fired a weapon that lets you charge, like a storm bolter, you can then assault and use you 2 CCW AND get the bonus attack from charging.

Yoiu're possibly thinking of the Grey Knights True Grit, which lets them count a stormbolter as a CCW but they dont get the bonus for charging

Well thats what i posted... a marshal with a storm bolter and 2 CC weapons like a power weapon + Bolt pistol since bolt pistol allso counts as a CC. Question was does he get +1 from terminator honours and +1 from 2 CC's as well with the +1 from charging
making it now 6 attacks with that setup? storm bolter is an assault weapon too.


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But what your saying is a storm Bolter allso counts as a CC weapon? since its an Assault weapon?

No, I did NOT say that.

Being "assault" simply means you can still assault after firing it - for example if you fire a bolter you are normally prohibited from assaulting after, as it is "rapid fire", and same for a lascannon or missile launcher as they are "heavy"

There is NO concept of "changing" weapons in 40k. Assuming you can assault at all, firing a weapon in the shooting phase has NO effect on what weapon you can use in the close combat phase. They are entirely separate.

SO if you charge you get +1 Attack. If you have 2 ccw, like a pistol and a power sword, you get +1 attack. Terminator honours gives you another attack as well.

If you want a killer build try a power fist / thunder hammer with Lightning claw. You dont get the +1 attack for 2CCW, as you need a matched pair of these weapons (see page 42 again) BUT you do get to either kill infantry easily, with rerolls to hit AND to wound from the claw, OR you can take on monstrous creatures / vehicles with the fist or hammer - and you get to choose which one you want to use each round.

akkados wrote:well thats isnt what I hear. some people say that you can infact have as many weapons as you like but only 1 2-handed weapon per HQ

Check the top of the Armoury page. It states that models can only select two weapons from the armoury.

It's a little different for newer armies, since GW have been removing the Armoury and changing the way weapons are selected. So in newer codexes some characters can indeed have a lot more weapons... But BTs are still limited by their Armoury.