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This is a list I have used for local games and enjoy it. Its not a tourny list or designed to be the trimmed up revised and revised again win at all cost list. For me it has proven to be solid, competitive and ultimately fun and hilarious when your opponent realizes almost everything in your army is TL even your dif. terrain tests and it pretty much gaurantees things get essploded while I make squeeky track noises for my vehicles.

HQ
Vulkan He'stan(mas. cr. and TL)-190

EL
5 TH(Mas. cr.)/SS termies-200
Land Raider, LC's(TL), HB(TL), MM(TL), HKM-270
Dread., MM(TL), HF(TL), ex. ar.-130

TR
Tac Sq. x10, ML, PF, flamer(TL), combimelta(TL), rhino, doz. bl.(reroll)-245
Tac Sq. x10, ML, PF, flamer(TL), combimelta(TL), rhino, doz. bl.(reroll)-245
Tac Sq. x10, ML, PF, flamer(TL), combimelta(TL), rhino, doz. bl.(reroll)-245

FA
Land Speeder, MM(TL), HF(TL)-70
Land Speeder, MM(TL), HF(TL)-70

HS
Vindicator, doz. bl.(reroll)-120
Vindicator, doz. bl.(reroll)-120
Pred., AC, HB, SB, doz. bl.(reroll)-100

Total: 2005

The list is very redundant with vulkan and the unit choices. I have thought about ditching the pred. for another dread to stick with the redundancy but I don't have a model for it and my thunderfire is still in the works( holy crap that model is a mess be prepared to spend as much time on prepwork as you do assembling and painting if not more )
Now I know if I lose all the dozers, the HKM, the SB on the pred. and the ex. ar. on the dread I can squeeze in another Speeder with a MM or heavy flamer but again I don't have a model and the dozers in my opinion are worth it. The extra armor I figure will help the dread keep up with the rest of the pack when I start hauling butt across the board. The SB and HKM were just point sinks after that. At the end of it all the only units not benefiting from vulkan are the heavies, but they still role 2d6 for armor pen. and don't need it or pump out 10 shots. REROLLS GALORE!!!!!!!!!!!

Really, nothing?

Make that dreadnought into a 2x TL AC dread (125pts)
Drop the SB on the pred
Make your land raider a redeemer with MM and extra armor (no hkm) 265pts
MAke all your squads melta/combimelta

You should always work to a list below the points theshold. A 2005 point list in a 2000 point game is illegal!

Dread is short ranged, so either go for the TL AC option above or stick it in a drop-pod.

PF on tacs is a bit OP if in rhinos - the idea is not for them to get into a situation where they need to use it. Better off giving them a missile launcher instead. Combi meltas will do the job of the PF in most instances. Or stick a melta bomb in.

Crusder is better than standard Land Raider, multi melta is fine on it though. Land Raiders also should be in pairs in larger games as a single one can be taken out too easily

Single Dreadnought won't do a fat lot.

Why got flamers for anti troop and a combi melta for? Melta is for tanks, flamers do nothing to tanks.

You don't need dozer blade on the Predator or Vindicators really because the Predator needs to be static to fire and the Vindicators will probably move once into range and be done with it.

Whoops I forgot to add in the ML to the tac's my bad. I take the flamers because they are free(I do need some sort of horde control with this list its an all-comers) and the combi-melta(chances are you'll only be in the effective range of a meltagun once before said target is dead and everything else moves away or assaults you) and PF lets them deal with tanks/characters/MC/termies, and I'm the most mech'd up person in my local group, a lot of people here still walk around on foot or use JP so flamers are awesome and really underestimated I have found. Most people don't care about a 5 pt leeway and if so I can drop the HKM or DB/SB on the pred. I have tried the dread in a DP my last to games and I'm really on the fence about that, first game he got popped right away, second game he dropped in and wrecked shop the whole game smacking a vindi a rhino some honour gaurd and melted a bunch of marines. On the one hand he is short ranged and needs the pod to get in close and kill stuff but on the other hand he has a tendency to become unsupported as he has to drop in on the first turn and the only viable targets are far away, I still have points to squeeze it in again if I lose a couple point sink upgrades(ST, EA, HKM, DB). I tried to support the dread with speeders but its hit or miss if they arrive immediately after and then they can't shoot if they DS(I guess a FAQ said to refer to the BRB about the discrepency). How would you guys support the dread?


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ruminator wrote:
PF on tacs is a bit OP if in rhinos - the idea is not for them to get into a situation where they need to use it. Better off giving them a missile launcher instead. Combi meltas will do the job of the PF in most instances. Or stick a melta bomb in.

Meltabombs are not TL IIRC and usually need 4+ or 6+ to hit. Sometimes you don't have a choice about avoiding an assault situation (and for some reason my tac squads tend be a little punch happy) so why not be prepared, you can't stick a MB on a MC so why not shoot it, melt it, burn it, then squish it