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I have this question, that might come across as somewhat silly, but I stil would like an opinion.

Next to my boyz, I am also painting a space marine army. I am using Black Templar bits and designing the entire army in BT fashion.

But I am not painting the army in the traditional black and white, but instead I use my own scheme, but keeping the BT heraldry.

What is the general opinion on using specific chapter rules, but not painting the models totally accordingly?

IMO as long as you make it clear at the start of the game that your army is an XX chapter army, it should not matter what the heraldry is.

From an aesthetic viewpoint, I think it is a bit disappointing for someone to paint their army as Ultramarines (for example) but use them as Space Wolves, or Black Templars or whatever is flavour of the month.

Your approach is different, though. You are designing your own scheme using elements from other schemes. Lots of players make their own chapter colour scheme but use a specific codex for the rules.

From what I have been able to gather from previous threads on this very subject, the general opinion is; "Who cares?!? Paint them whatever colour you like and play them using any codex you like as long as you keep it WYSIWYG!"

I really don't have a problem with playing against "counts as" armies. I have seen black space wolves, blue blood angels and the like. It really doesn't matter in my opinion.

And remember that there are many successor chapters for most chapters. These successors will likely follow the tenets of their parent chapter so should have the same abilities/ rules but will have different colors. Provide a cool back story, an acceptable paint job and a good color scheme and you will probably find people envious of your army.

Basically, you could paint the entire army pink and call them black templars...just apply a codex fully in all ways and you are fine.



Sliggoth

Not to get off topic but can I use vulcan with a ultramarine scheme marines?

Yes, there are not painting restrictions for any 40k army that I am aware of.

Moving to Dakka Discussions.

As noted, designing original and variant paint schemes is part of the creative joy of the hobby for many people, and generally supported and encouraged.

Also as previously expressed, it is legal to paint your SM army however you like and use the rules from whatever chapter you wish. As long as the models are armed properly/clearly represent the units they are representing, you should be fine.

That being said, however, many players do find it aesthetically displeasing or discordant with the fluff to see an army with a clear and distinct color scheme matching a major chapter using rules from another chapter with very different fluff/units in the "story" of the game. Ultramarines on giant wolves don't look "right" to many people, for example, though others may be fine with it.

Conventional wisdom is that if you want a SM army which you can use with whatever rules, it's often the best idea to make an original color scheme and chapter name, and then you can better avoid causing cognitive dissonance or aesthetic displeasure in your fellow players.

armitron187 wrote:Not to get off topic but can I use vulcan with a ultramarine scheme marines?

Yes, you can. Vulkan is in the vanilla marines codex along with the Ultrasmurfs.

The codex even mentions this specifically.

See P127 - ultramarines and other chapters. This specifies that you can use a special character "to represent a mighty hero of a different chapter".

Waricck wrote:I really don't have a problem with playing against "counts as" armies. I have seen black space wolves, blue blood angels and the like. It really doesn't matter in my opinion.

Its not really a 'counts as' army is it is the actually models just painted differently

Sliggoth wrote:And remember that there are many successor chapters for most chapters. These successors will likely follow the tenets of their parent chapter so should have the same abilities/ rules but will have different colors. Provide a cool back story, an acceptable paint job and a good color scheme and you will probably find people envious of your army.

Some armies that doesn't actually work well in the fluff side, space wolf succesors fall apart, black templar chapter organisation and size (not fighting style) can't be passed on as it is their political clout that lets them do it.

But chapters could quite easily emulate the fighting style of black templars.

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:

armitron187 wrote:Not to get off topic but can I use vulcan with a ultramarine scheme marines?

Yes, you can. Vulkan is in the vanilla marines codex along with the Ultrasmurfs.

You just say that he is a honoured veteran bestowed with chapter relics for the conflict.

As long as you say "BTW it's a X army, not Y" Then I'm good with it. I get annoyed when people paint, say, ultramarines, and change it to the flavour of the month. There's one TFG at my tore who does it alot. I've seen them as DA, BA, SW and vanilla in about 2 months. And the paint scheme's diabolical.
But I find against the stricter fellas, the rule of cool really helps. I have a raven guard army, with moulded shoulder pads and such, but count it as BA because raven guard suit assault-marine armies. The army is purpose-built for this, and I have a "sanguinary guard" unit with chapterhouse jump packs, robes, "beakie" (corvus mk6) helmets, converted "anglus" boltguns and power-weapon "glaive encarmines". This looks good, and I'm 99% certain no-one at my FLGS will mind, so long as I state that they are using C:BA at the beginning of the game.

I find the whole 'you must only ever play one chapter with a given army of marines' attitude from certain holier-than-thou players to be annoying. I enjoy a variety in what I play from game to game, thus when I was using my marines, I would use different chapter traits or even codexes in different games.

Granted, I paint mine in a non-traditional color. However, 'Variety is the spice of battle' to quote a certain famous mechwarrior. Anyone who has an issue with an army not being painted 'right' isn't worth the trouble of playing in the first place.

Battesai wrote:I have this question, that might come across as somewhat silly, but I stil would like an opinion.

Next to my boyz, I am also painting a space marine army. I am using Black Templar bits and designing the entire army in BT fashion.

But I am not painting the army in the traditional black and white, but instead I use my own scheme, but keeping the BT heraldry.

What is the general opinion on using specific chapter rules, but not painting the models totally accordingly?

According to GW it is perfectly fine. You are never forced by the rules to paint your miniatures certain colors to use a certain codex.

BluntmanDC wrote:

Some armies that doesn't actually work well in the fluff side, space wolf succesors fall apart, black templar chapter organisation and size (not fighting style) can't be passed on as it is their political clout that lets them do it.

Eh my space wolves are red and gold, and they ride lions.

I use BT rules with my Imperial Fists...they represent the IF right after the Heresy, when Dorn took them on a crusade because he knew there would be problems switching to the Codex. In other words...my guys are the IF who became the BT.....

Thx for all the answers. This even makes me even happier that I can actually design according a little to need.

My appology to all those "holier-than-thou" I heard someone say. Since I don't paint in a codex specific scheme, I will also play them as different chapters.

I will make sure to upload my stuff for you guys to see.