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So splinter weapons have a strength of X. I assume that this is because they are poisoned and as such always wound on a roll of 4+. However the majority of Dark Eldar weapons are poisoned. If this means that they always wound on a 4+ and since poison does nothing to vehicles does that mean that poisoned weapons such as the splinter weapons cannot harm vehicles? If so then about 75% of the primary Dark Eldar arsenal is useless against vehicles?

Is this correct or am I missing something? It seems like this would put Dark Eldar at a severe disadvantage against a vehicle heavy army such as Imperial Guard...

Drowning Doom wrote:So splinter weapons have a strength of X. I assume that this is because they are poisoned and as such always wound on a roll of 4+. However the majority of Dark Eldar weapons are poisoned. If this means that they always wound on a 4+ and since poison does nothing to vehicles does that mean that poisoned weapons such as the splinter weapons cannot harm vehicles? If so then about 75% of the primary Dark Eldar arsenal is useless against vehicles?

Is this correct or am I missing something? It seems like this would put Dark Eldar at a severe disadvantage against a vehicle heavy army such as Imperial Guard...

correct but is this any different to IG lasguns? Strength 3 can't hurt them ether ... Bolt guns only glance AV10 on a 6.

Actually they are S:1 - have a look at the new DE FAQ.

Yes, they cant hurt vehicles. Because they fire shards of poisonous crystal at you, which you wouldnt expect to do much to a vehicle.

However their basis troop transport comes with a S8 weapon, and they can take heavy supports which can move 12" and fire 3 of them.

OK, that helps some, I'll just have to go buy some new models. I'm playing against an IG player that likes to field multiple Chimera's and while I still don't understand why the Chimera is only 55 points and loaded with firepower while the Raider is a 60 point model with one gun and open topped, but at least I have a why to drop them now.

Drowning Doom wrote:OK, that helps some, I'll just have to go buy some new models. I'm playing against an IG player that likes to field multiple Chimera's and while I still don't understand why the Chimera is only 55 points and loaded with firepower while the Raider is a 60 point model with one gun and open topped, but at least I have a why to drop them now.

Chimera ... can move 12" per turn. If it wants to fire one main weapon it can only move 6" (or not move and fire everything). Models cannot assault if the vehicle moved before they get out. Does have good front AV

Raider ... can move 24" per turn. If it wants to fire one main weapon it can only move 12" (if it had more weapons it could move 6" to fire them all). Models can assault out of it because its open topped. It can jump over terrain thats in its way as its a skimmer ... open top does means its easier to destroy.

nosferatu1001 wrote:Actually they are S:1 - have a look at the new DE FAQ.

That wasn't added to the DE FAQ. Some of the others that just got updated, but not DE.

Damn, how did they miss that? Could have sworn there was a change somewhere, outside of sternguard from ages back...

Expectation of failure? They did just repeat that errata with the Blood Angels update.

The absolute only thing that changes for DE, from the previous iteration, and vehicles, in this regard, is being able to use a Splinter cannon to take down other DE Raiders or SM Land Speeders. This really is not a loss.

nosferatu1001 wrote:Damn, how did they miss that? Could have sworn there was a change somewhere, outside of sternguard from ages back...

Why would it need to be changed? The DE codex is very specific on how poisoned ranged weapons act, as opposed to the various marine codices.

Drowning Doom wrote:So splinter weapons have a strength of X. I assume that this is because they are poisoned and as such always wound on a roll of 4+. However the majority of Dark Eldar weapons are poisoned. If this means that they always wound on a 4+ and since poison does nothing to vehicles does that mean that poisoned weapons such as the splinter weapons cannot harm vehicles? If so then about 75% of the primary Dark Eldar arsenal is useless against vehicles?

Is this correct or am I missing something? It seems like this would put Dark Eldar at a severe disadvantage against a vehicle heavy army such as Imperial Guard...

This is nothing new, as Splinter Weapons were strength 3 in the old codex, and Splinter cannons were 'only' strength 4.

Splinter weapons couldn't hurt vehicles before, and they still can't.

BuFFo wrote:

Drowning Doom wrote:So splinter weapons have a strength of X. I assume that this is because they are poisoned and as such always wound on a roll of 4+. However the majority of Dark Eldar weapons are poisoned. If this means that they always wound on a 4+ and since poison does nothing to vehicles does that mean that poisoned weapons such as the splinter weapons cannot harm vehicles? If so then about 75% of the primary Dark Eldar arsenal is useless against vehicles?

Is this correct or am I missing something? It seems like this would put Dark Eldar at a severe disadvantage against a vehicle heavy army such as Imperial Guard...

This is nothing new, as Splinter Weapons were strength 3 in the old codex, and Splinter cannons were 'only' strength 4.

Splinter weapons couldn't hurt vehicles before, and they still can't.

They could, as I've already noted, but it was useless except for a finite amount of vehicles and utterly useless. So technically nothing has changed.

nosferatu1001 wrote:Because they fire shards of poisonous crystal at you, which you wouldnt expect to do much to a vehicle.

There's a carnifex over with a heavy venom cannon here that would like to have a word with you...

The carnifex fires HUGE shards of crystal

And it's a terrible shot, and gets -1 to the damage roll if it manages to penetrate.

Unless the vehicle's open topped, from memory....