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Ok, I'm all for new models but is the battlefield going to become too crowded? The average 6x4 table is just barely enough for most games but with the advent of larger kits becoming more prevalent on the tabletops: where do you put them? So far we've got Baneblades and Stompas and somewhere someone is no doubt rampaging about the board with a titan, the advent of flyers is going to crowd the battlefields even more.
I can see it now; baneblades getting held up at an impassible t-junction, stompas not being able to stomp coz there's no space to move and now flyers literally crashing onto the battlefield obliterating enemy plastic troops much to the wrath of your opponent(i.e. they topple from their base). Seriously, does 40k have parking space for these models on the tabletop? Unless you specifically space scenery so that big big vehicles can move(I bet your opponent will not agree to it!) it is going to be a case of 'this is as far as I can go, you'll have to slog it to the frontline!' The chances are that the tank may not even have moved! I can see flyers being the bane of many players, not because of what they can do but more because of the damage they will do to figures when they they fall over as not even a flat tabletop will guarentee a model will not fall over!
I'm being humourous about this but the underlying point is bigger models may look good on the battlefield but will they ever get the chance to move? Remember where we parked and:thoughts?

Well my preffered playing surface is 8x4 for games up to 2k. I like the room to move, I like for tactics to actually play out, I like for guns to not be able to effect the entire playing surface.

Now talking 40k on an apoc level...I do not currently play apoc all that often but when I do I either play on the floor or start pushing tables together.

Yes, but the chances are that the bigger models will show up in 40k games as more of these plastic kits become available. The battlefield is going to be crowded not because of masses of troops but by single large vehicles that cannot move. If you were facing an army that for example had even just two baneblades you are not going to be accomadating and move scenery so they can move towards you,are you?

Thus is the reason why Superheavies should be Apoc only...

If you play apoc, you need a bigger table. Simple as that.

Valkyries are enormous, I have no idea how people have armies with 9 of them. I totally get what you're saying here. My biggest problem isn't on the table as much as it is in my case - there's no easy way to transport a Valkyrie anywhere, unless you want to spend a load of money on Battlefoam or whatever. I love big models, but sheesh.

Only suckers pay and play with those high points values and larger kits.

I'm only going to say this once. There is a GW system that will allow you to play with massive forces (5-6K) on a reular size gaming table. That system is Epic......




.....I'll get me coat.......

Son_Of _Deddog wrote:I'm only going to say this once. There is a GW system that will allow you to play with massive forces (5-6K) on a reular size gaming table. That system is Epic......




.....I'll get me coat.......

And again, that system while impressive is no longer being supported by GW. They have instead decided to support Apoc.

All roades lead to Apoc these days.

I think it is up to us to decide the size of tables needed to facilitate this direction.

Th3ee Legged Dog wrote:

Son_Of _Deddog wrote:I'm only going to say this once. There is a GW system that will allow you to play with massive forces (5-6K) on a reular size gaming table. That system is Epic......




.....I'll get me coat.......

And again, that system while impressive is no longer being supported by GW. They have instead decided to support Apoc.

All roades lead to Apoc these days.

I think it is up to us to decide the size of tables needed to facilitate this direction.

Hahahahaha! Of course they don't support Epic anymore if they can convince you to buy that many models in 40k scale!

Yeah, playing apoc on regular boards is silly.

As for the board size, no, it's not too small. If it were bigger, long-range armies would once again dominate and certain armies would be basically unstoppable, like DE, BA, or artillery guard.

Let's not repeat the bad old days of 3rd ed.

I promisede myself I wouldn't use this to bang on about Epic, so I wont. All I will do is say....

1. The rules are downloadable, for free, on the Specialist games part of GW site. Or you can buy a book with a bit of extra content. You could also look at Net Epic, which is based on an older (but more popular) edition of Epic

2. Models are also avaiable from GW-IG, Krieg IG, Eldar,Marine, Ork, Chaos (chaos is a bit limited, but you could supplemment with some Warmaster Deamons if you wanted to I guess)

3. You can get lists for OOP armies like Squats, or never in production ones like Necrons and DE

4 You can pick up qiute of lot of Epic stuff from Ebay/second hand, including Tau and Tyranids (although 'Nids are expensive).

It's a (generally) inexpensive way of haveing a large battle on a normal table. It's arguably more tactically challenging that regular 40K. You have to sacrifice the detail in the models though (6mm is pretty small), but where else can you field 40 Terminators or 10 LRBT's on a dinner table on a Sunday afternoon??

Now, lets never speak of it again...

Son_Of _Deddog wrote:I promisede myself I wouldn't use this to bang on about Epic, so I wont. All I will do is say....

1. The rules are downloadable, for free, on the Specialist games part of GW site. Or you can buy a book with a bit of extra content. You could also look at Net Epic, which is based on an older (but more popular) edition of Epic

2. Models are also avaiable from GW-IG, Krieg IG, Eldar,Marine, Ork, Chaos (chaos is a bit limited, but you could supplemment with some Warmaster Deamons if you wanted to I guess)

3. You can get lists for OOP armies like Squats, or never in production ones like Necrons and DE

4 You can pick up qiute of lot of Epic stuff from Ebay/second hand, including Tau and Tyranids (although 'Nids are expensive).

It's a (generally) inexpensive way of haveing a large battle on a normal table. It's arguably more tactically challenging that regular 40K. You have to sacrifice the detail in the models though (6mm is pretty small), but where else can you field 40 Terminators or 10 LRBT's on a dinner table on a Sunday afternoon??

Now, lets never speak of it again...

I do not disagree with you in the slightest although if I am shelling out money for a game I will pick the one that is supported/updated and with the ability to pick up games. Which I can not do around here.




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Ailaros wrote:Yeah, playing apoc on regular boards is silly.

As for the board size, no, it's not too small. If it were bigger, long-range armies would once again dominate and certain armies would be basically unstoppable, like DE, BA, or artillery guard.

Let's not repeat the bad old days of 3rd ed.

In no way in my opinion does Apoc cause problems with ranges and armies strengths and weaknesses.

Unless you are playing an army without Super Heavies or is just generally neglected by GW. If that is the case, well then your already screwed until you get an update anyways.

Th3ee Legged Dog wrote:

Son_Of _Deddog wrote:I promisede myself I wouldn't use this to bang on about Epic, so I wont. All I will do is say....

1. The rules are downloadable, for free, on the Specialist games part of GW site. Or you can buy a book with a bit of extra content. You could also look at Net Epic, which is based on an older (but more popular) edition of Epic

2. Models are also avaiable from GW-IG, Krieg IG, Eldar,Marine, Ork, Chaos (chaos is a bit limited, but you could supplemment with some Warmaster Deamons if you wanted to I guess)

3. You can get lists for OOP armies like Squats, or never in production ones like Necrons and DE

4 You can pick up qiute of lot of Epic stuff from Ebay/second hand, including Tau and Tyranids (although 'Nids are expensive).

It's a (generally) inexpensive way of haveing a large battle on a normal table. It's arguably more tactically challenging that regular 40K. You have to sacrifice the detail in the models though (6mm is pretty small), but where else can you field 40 Terminators or 10 LRBT's on a dinner table on a Sunday afternoon??

Now, lets never speak of it again...

I do not disagree with you in the slightest although if I am shelling out money for a game I will pick the one that is supported/updated and with the ability to pick up games. Which I can not do around here

Oh I realise you weren't disagreeing; it was aimed at the wider readers of this thread