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Hey I'm kinda new so I'm not the best at armies. This one was my first one which i might collect, but i need to see if it's good or not so if you could give me some advice that would be great. Thanks in advance

HQ
1. Marneus Calgar
• Armour of Antilochus
Total: 265 points

2. Honor Guard
• Chapter Banner
Total: 140 points
Total HQ Points: 405 Points

Troops
1. Tactical Squad
• 5 Additional Space Marines
• Flamer
• Heavy Bolter
Total: 170 points

2. Tactical Squad
• 5 Additional Space Marines
• Flamer
• Heavy Bolter
Total: 170 points


Total Troop Points: 340 Points

Elites
1. Terminator Squad
Total: 200 points

2. Dreadnaught
Total: 105 points
Total Elite Points: 305 Points



Heavy Support
1. Devastators Squad
Missile launcher x3
Total: 135 points

2. Whirlwind

3. Land Raider Redeemer
Multi-Melta

Total: 250
Total Heavy Support Points: 495 Points

Hi,

Calgar and honour guard eat 670 pts, waste of points, whirlwind also, in 1500 pts army list, take 3 scoring units, minimum 2 full tac squads in transport, 3rd unit could be also tac squad or sniper scouts if you like it, build your army around these units, leave HB in your Tac squads and give them MLs. So tak emore troops, TH/SS termies in LRR, some heavy support like predators or vindicators, fast unit - good are speeders or attack bikes.

HQ
1. librarian and smite and vortex of doom………..............................................................................................
• terminator amour.......................................................................................
• Storm shield……………………………………………………………..
Total: 140 points

2. Honor Guard...................................................................................................
• Chapter Banner.........................................................................................
• Relic blade (2)………………………………………...………………...
Total: 140 points
Total HQ Points: 280 Points

Troops
1. Tactical Squad..................................................................................................
• 5 Additional Space Marines.......................................................................
• Flamer.............................................................................................................
• Heavy Bolter...................................................................................................
• Sergeant melta bombs…..………………………………………………….
Total: 170 points

2. Tactical Squad...................................................................................................
• 5 Additional Space Marines…...................................................................
• Flamer.............................................................................................................
• Heavy Bolter.................................................................................................. Total: 170 points

3. scout squad……………………………………………………………
camo cloaks (8)……………………………………………………………
Sergeant power weapon………………………………………………….
sniper rifle (6)……………………………………………………………..
heavy bolter………………………………………………………………..
3 additional scouts…………………………………………………………. total 154 points

Total Troop Points: 494 Points

Elites
1. Terminator assault Squad.............................................................................
All of them have a thunder hammer and storm shield………………………….
Total: 200 points

2. Dreadnaught...................................................................................................
Total: 105 points
Total Elite Points: 305 Points



Heavy Support
1. Devastators Squad...........................................................................................
Missile launcher x3.........................................................................................
Total: 135 points

2. Land Raider Redeemer……………………………………………………
Multi-Melta……………………………………………………………………
Total: 250
Total Heavy Support Points: 385 Points

Hi,

your list looks better, but...

leave honour guard, put libbi and assault termies into LRR, give your troops MLs instead of HBs and put them into rhinos, also change HB in scout unit into ML, made from one of your dread rifle dread(TL AC), or both, maybe you still will have points from HG to take more devs or put 1 predator in your list.

Hi,

I would cut the librarian's storm shield, scout squad's heavy bolter, and land raider's multi-melta and get your dreadnought a drop pod.

Should i try to take out some stuff and put in a predator with a lascannon?

1. librarian and smite and vortex of doom………..............................................................................................
• terminator amour.......................................................................................
• Total: 125 points

2. Honor Guard...................................................................................................
• Chapter Banner.........................................................................................
• Total: 110 points
Total HQ Points: 250 Points

Troops
1. Tactical Squad..................................................................................................
• 5 Additional Space Marines.......................................................................
• Flamer.............................................................................................................
• Heavy Bolter...................................................................................................
•
Total: 165 points

2. Tactical Squad...................................................................................................
• 5 Additional Space Marines…...................................................................
• Flamer.............................................................................................................
• Heavy Bolter.................................................................................................. Total: 170 points

3. scout squad……………………………………………………………
Sergeant power weapon………………………………………………….
sniper rifle (7)……………………………………………………………..
heavy bolter………………………………………………………………..
2. 1 additional scout
total 114 points

Total Troop Points: 455 Points

Elites
1. Terminator assault Squad.............................................................................
All of them have a thunder hammer and storm shield………………………….
Total: 200 points

2. Dreadnaught...................................................................................................
Total: 105 points
Total Elite Points: 305 Points



Heavy Support
1. Devastators Squad...........................................................................................
Missile launcher x3.........................................................................................
Total: 135 points

2. Land Raider Redeemer……………………………………………………
Multi-Melta……………………………………………………………………
Total: 250


Predator……………………………………………………………………………………
Lascannon………………………………………………………………………………..
Total: 105 points
Total Heavy Support Points: 385 Points

The land raider redeemer is, while monstrously scary, difficult to use. I would go with the Crusader instead.

I know they're cool and all, but drop the honour guard. They aren't competitive... really. Neither are Devastators. They are much better on paper than they are in real games, especially when you take into consideration their cost. if you drop both of those units you'll have a total of 275 more points to play with.

The first thing you should do with these points is to change the preadator that you have from one twin linked turret to the Autocannon and twin LAS Sponsons. This is a much more cost efficient and more powerful anti-transport tank. Which is the role that the Pred currently fills. Alternatively, you can change the Pred to a double twin linked autocannon dread.

The dread is less offensively capable, and has lower front armor, but has higher side armor, doesn't insta-die in CC, is better against AV 10 and 11, can move and fire (making it have a longer range as well), and can more easily use cover.

The power weapon in the scout squad is a waste of points. Those guys should not see CC, if they do, they will die whether or not their sarge has a PW. Also, they should have cloaks.

Give your TAC squads transports.

Also, some of your point totals are off. The honor guard for example are 140 points with chapter banner, the TAC squad is 170. make sure to check your math

1. Librarian and smite and vortex of doom with assault terminators in redeemer
• terminator amour.......................................................................................
• total: 125 points

2. Command squad...................................................................................................
• Chapter Banner.........................................................................................
2. Company champion a power weapon and combat shield……………………
3. meltagun(2)………………………………………………………………………………….
• total: 165 points
Total HQ Points: 290 Points

Troops
1. Tactical Squad..................................................................................................
• 5 Additional Space Marines.......................................................................
• Flamer.............................................................................................................
• Heavy Bolter...................................................................................................
•
total: 170 points

2. Tactical Squad...................................................................................................
• 5 Additional Space Marines…...................................................................
• Flamer.............................................................................................................
• Heavy Bolter.................................................................................................. Total: 170 points

3. scout squad……………………………………………………………
sniper rifle (5)……………………………………………………………..
Heavy bolter………………………………………………………………..
4. Sergeant telion………………………………………………………………………
5. 1 additional scout
total 149 points

Total Troop Points: 489 Points

Elites
1. Terminator assault Squad.............................................................................
All of them have a thunder hammer and storm shield………………………….
Total: 200 points

2. Dreadnaught...................................................................................................
Total: 105 points
Total Elite Points: 305 Points



Heavy Support


2. Land Raider Redeemer……………………………………………………
Multi-Melta……………………………………………………………………
Total: 250


Predator……………………………………………………………………………………
Lascannon twin linked………………………………………………………………………………..
Lascannon twin linked sponsens………………………………………………………………….
Total: 165 points
Total Heavy Support Points: 415 Points

Take off the TL LC on your pred and give it an AC

Extra armor on you LR would give it the ability to deliver it's payload when glanced.

Transports for your TACs goes a long way. Give them a MM over the HB so they are a threat to vehicles.

Can a librarian have a command squad? If not, thats a good thing. 290 points for this 5 models is over the top.

Your dread feels out of place. What's its role? How does it synegize with your army?

2. Command squad...................................................................................................
• Chapter Banner.........................................................................................
2. Company champion a power weapon and combat shield……………………
3. Vulkan he stan………………………………………………………………………………
4. Captain with power weapon with hellfire rounds……………………………………………………………
5. power weapon(3)……………………………………………………………………….
• total: 505 points
Total HQ Points: 505 Points

Troops
1. Tactical Squad..................................................................................................
• 5 Additional Space Marines.......................................................................
• Flamer.............................................................................................................
• Heavy Bolter...................................................................................................
•
total: 170 points

2. Tactical Squad...................................................................................................
• 5 Additional Space Marines…...................................................................
• Flamer.............................................................................................................
• Heavy Bolter.................................................................................................. Total: 170 points

3. scout squad……………………………………………………………
sniper rifle (5)……………………………………………………………..
Heavy bolter………………………………………………………………..

6. 1 additional scout
total 99 points

Total Troop Points: 439 Points

Elites
1. Terminator assault Squad.............................................................................
All of them have a thunder hammer and storm shield………………………….
Total: 200 points

2. Dreadnaught...................................................................................................
Total: 105 points
Total Elite Points: 305 Points



Heavy Support


2. Land Raider Redeemer……………………………………………………
Multi-Melta……………………………………………………………………
Total: 250



Total Heavy Support Points: 250 Points

sounds good???


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sounds good????

Is it ok now??

fvaldes011 wrote:2. Command squad...................................................................................................
• Chapter Banner.........................................................................................
2. Company champion a power weapon and combat shield……………………
3. Vulkan he stan………………………………………………………………………………
4. Captain with power weapon with hellfire rounds……………………………………………………………
5. power weapon(3)……………………………………………………………………….

Just stick Vulcan with your terminators. Your command squad is ~300 points, and would get it's ass handed to it by TH/SS termies. Just use the termies with Vulcan, and move these 300 points into ranged support

fvaldes011 wrote:Troops
1. Tactical Squad..................................................................................................
• 5 Additional Space Marines.......................................................................
• Flamer.............................................................................................................
• Heavy Bolter...................................................................................................
total: 170 points

Your running vulcan, so you should use a MG and MM in your TAC squads. The TL on the MG/MM gives a nice bonus, and increases its threat vs armor.

fvaldes011 wrote:Elites
1. Terminator assault Squad.............................................................................
All of them have a thunder hammer and storm shield………………………….

2. Dreadnaught...................................................................................................
Total: 105 points
Total Elite Points: 305 Points

Again, what is the role your dread plays? He seems kind of out of place, as all your stuff is mech. He will be running to the battle and not do very much as the rest of your troops will get there much faster than he can. Dreads needs to be drop-podded or used as ranged support.

You already have 1/3 of your points tied up into a deathstar unit (Termies, Vulcan, and LR). More assault is not really what C:SM shine at. I would add some good support with those spare points. That would be the following
* MM speeders (with Vulcan, their decent)
* MM attack bikes (again, with Vulcan not bad)
* TL AC * 2 Dread -- great for kracking transports at range.
* AC/LC sponson Pread -- again, ranged anti-transport
* Sternguard -- flexability with combi-weapons and special ammo : consider drop podding them in.
* Vindicator -- all around useful unit for its point cost.
Once you have added those in, you use your deathstar to crack open the objective of your choice. You use your support to help make that happen -- by shooting open transports, contesting other objectives, etc...