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Hey, I've got an inquiry that needs resolving. If an Imperial Guard unit takes a medi-pack, then it confers Feel No Pain onto their unit. The usefulness of this ability comes into question from the following dilemma I'm trying to work out...

If a model with this ability suffers and unsaved wound, roll a dice. On a 1, 2, or 3 take the wound as normal. On a 4, 5 or 6 the injury is ignored. This ability cannot be used against wounds from weapons that inflict instant death, against wound from AP1 and AP2 weapons, power weapons and any other wound against which no armour save can ever be taken.

Since Imperial Guardsmen have such low armour saves, most shooting attacks' AP is going to punch straight through them and make FNP completely useless unless cover saves are taken into account here too. I'm getting the feeling that when GW says "armour save" they mean it, but could you argue that it applies to all saves, at least in the spirit of the rule?

"any other wound against which no armour save can ever be taken"

this is the Key part. it doesn't say the models armor save, it refers to armor saves in general.


there are attacks like Perils of the Warp and Breath of Chaos which say no armor saves can be taken against them. it's weapons like that which it refers to. mostly for completness.



Guardsmen can only take FnP against Str5 or less attacks that don't ignore all armor saves. the good news is that the FnP can be taken against many weapons that ignore their armor like bolters and the like.

Dangerous Terrain wounds are another example of a wound which disallows armor saves.

For example, my blood angels have a 3+ armor save and feel no pain, but when they get shot by a AP3 flamestorm cannon they can still roll the feel no pain roll but not their armor save.

Your guard in their 4+ carapace would not be able to take an armor save against a heavy flamer that is AP 4, but would be able to use feel no pain.

(Edited according to Grey Templar's correction)

they can't roll FnP against a Krak missile. it causes Instant Death which is a disqualifier for FnP.


niw if they are hit by a Flamestorm cannon they get their FnP.

Oh nice, that's really cool! When I was writing out the question and thinking about it I had come to the conclusion that I wasn't getting my save, but now I'm glad I asked!

rdlb: Slightly wrong on the first example.
The blood angel WOULDN'T get his fnp in that case, as the krak missile inflict instant death.
However, replace it with a chem cannon and it's fine.

I just imagine the face of that blood angel after passing his FnP from the chem cannon.

"FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-"

And that, boys and girls, is how the angry marines recruit.

Basiclly Only AP 1,2 negates FNP, the Does not allow saves bit is becuase of 3rd/4th codexs that used that instead of saying Power weapon, as also stated affects terrain.

you forgot Instant Death attacks.

ThatMG - well, there are also shooting weapons which do not allow any armour save, such as Flamers of Tzeentch (technically 4th but actually 5th ed codex) and the like. IT's there for to completeness realy - anything whcih is effectively AP2 (whcih never allows armour saves intrinsically) denies FNP.

yeah thats the other factors that was all ready said or would negate it. What I was saying was if the attack is not AP 1/2 it does not stop FNP unless it has a old rule text like ingores armour saves/allows no armour saves.

Except it ISNT old rules text, it is current 5th edition rules text (Daemons, as noted)

ThatMG wrote:yeah thats the other factors that was all ready said or would negate it. What I was saying was if the attack is not AP 1/2 it does not stop FNP unless it has a old rule text like ingores armour saves/allows no armour saves.

Rending, Dangerous terrain; those are a very few select current rules with the exact text you supplied.

There are many others in 5th edition.