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So, I posted this over on the PP forums, only to get a cold shoulder. I'm hoping the Dakka-ites are a bit more receiving. Anyway, with some friend and I getting into Warmachine, I decided I wasn't a fan of the Cygnar battlegroup, but I did like how eNemo worked with his 'jacks. So, I came up with the following 11 pt list:

eNemo
-Hammersmith
-Defender

The way I see it, the Hammersmith (who seems to me to be a great beatstick in combat) gets the Shroud or Fail Safe, what Focus it needs, and the Defender gets it's 2 focus to boost attack and damage rolls to target the lighter warjacks, or to soften up the heavies. It's CC weapon gives it a fighting chance in combat, I hope!

I also changed up a 35 pt list posted earlier. I removed a cyclone attached to Nemo and added some stormsmith stormcallers and some trencher infantry.

eNemo
-Hammersmith
-Ironclad
-Squire

Black 13th
Arlen Strangeways
Stormblades
-Stormblades UA
3x Stormsmith Stormcallers
6x Trenchers
-x1 Rifle Grenadier

Nemo uses his buffs to make the Ironclad/Hammersmith stronger in CC, and draws on the Squire and Arlen Strangeways for more focus. The Black 13th go hunting for stealthed units and Warcasters, if the opportunity presents itself. Stormcallers disrupt Warjacks and get a boost from Nemo. Trenchers do their advance deployment thing, dig in, and smoke, softening up enemy troops and covering the Stormblade's advance.

Wooh! Long post, and I'm sorry about that. So, any thoughts? I'd love advice/criticism on the lists. Thanks!

Why is the first list 11 points?? 15 is more of a formal pointscap as 11 is less then some of the battleboxes have..

I think you will be better of with a couple hunters or chargers btw instead of the defender. They do the job of softening up jacks well and in combat both are not ideal, but with 2 hunters you always have 1 left. it is also easier to protect nemo with 3 jacks then it is with 2...

Second list I do not really like on nemo. Reason is that he like a couple more (light) jacks. I think I would drop the trenchers and add a couple hunters or chargers again. Also try to include a yourneyman. He gives an arcane shield (very usefull) and lets a charger fire allout with 2 shots. Alternatively a hunter on him is also a nice thing...

Do with the advice as you please...

Arlan is a bit odd in the 35 point list, as both the jacks are heavies he will be in danger zone when he is needed to provide the focus to the jacks. I would drop him from the list and upgrade Ironclad to Ol'Rowdy, which is more focus efficient than regular ironclad, will hit harder and has more ARM. The other option for ironclad would be the Stormclad, which would get additional focus from the stormblades, to include it you would need to drop the grenadier in addition to Arlan.

Otherwise the list looks ok, the basic rolling smoke and strong melee counter punch from assaulting Stormblades should work. Just make sure the stormblades are protected from shooting before committing them to the melee, smoke is not blocking shooting anymore like it was so use terrain and the jacks to help with hiding them.

Ravurion - the first list is 11 points due to the fact that the battleboxes are 11 points each (apart from the Cryx box, but their 'jacks are essentially glass hammers). If you'd like a 15 pt list, simply add on the Black 13th. And thanks for the advice on the lists!

Metsuri - I'll probably go with Ol' Rowdy, so thanks for that information. I'm curious, instead of the Stormblades, what about a min unit of Stormguard with Rhupert?

Your 11 point battlegroup isn't going to be balanced against Battle Boxes. The 'casters and 'jacks in each were selected to be balanced against each other.

eNemo is a solid 'jack 'caster and will be sending his heavies flying around faster than Battle Box opponents can handle. Couple that with having the a high ARM beatstick with chain attack and follow up plus the deadliest ranged 'jack in the game, and your games are probably going to be pretty one sided.

Also, 15pts is generally run as Mangled Metal, so only Battlegroups, no units or solos.

Oh. Oh my.

Well, if that's the case, I'll probably hold off on eNemo and just get the cygnar battlebox. Thanks, guys!

^ That is a good idea.

infinite_array wrote:Oh. Oh my.

Well, if that's the case, I'll probably hold off on eNemo and just get the cygnar battlebox. Thanks, guys!

Even if you don't like baby Stryker, you're going to be using Ironclads, Chargers, and Lancers all the time. It's a pretty good deal for $50. (You dollar goes even further if you magnetize with bits from the PP store )