Fire prisms, yay or nay?

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**Reanimator**

So I happen to be a huge fan of these as models, and I'm drawn to the rules about combining fire in the codex. My question is, are they any good when played, either as a pair or singly?

**Mukkin'About**

Yes.
They rock.
Use them. use three.
Play against orks or horde nids. Lulz will be had!

**Reaver83**

i find that a pair works well, though the twin linked is not all that

**MechaEmperor7000**

Defiinately run them in duplicates, 3 if possible. This way you can fire at max strength, or still fire at modified strength of one of them gets pegged. It also provides some target saturation.

**Reanimator**

Hmm, I getting more excited about this, part of me is really hoping that the new fw eldar aspect, which is carrying something like a fire prism, will have similar properties of combi fire and such. Mmmm str 10 ap 1 blast.

I also have a hugely nostalgic longing for them based on the prism towers in red alert. But thats for another day..

**Th3ee Legged Dog**

Personally I dont run a single one in my Eldar list.

There is already a lot pf competition from in the heavy support options in my list and Fire Prism's look great on paper but dont work for me. Although I will admit I have never ran three.

**Mr Nobody**

I don't use them becaue it's a blast template, meaning they are usless against tanks, and I need anti-tank in my heavy support slot.

**notabot187**

When I've run them I ran 2 with a falcon.

Works really well, their range keeps them out of trouble, and it helps hugely against infantry.

**Reanimator**

Hmm, some mixed opinions here. However I just spotted the thread in the news section that said the new fw aspect, shadow spectres has been released- Woop Woop! Having read their proposed rules, they run pretty much how I hoped they would. Now the question remains: All prism all the time themed heavy support (1 squad of spectres and 2 fire prisms) or to include the new warp hunter tank, which just looks so damn cool.

Damn eldar and their extensive hvy spt options- the agony of choice!!

**I-bounty-hunt-the-elderly**

I bought 3 all at once, and I regret nothing! I use all 3 without any upgrades, they're great. The twin-linked S10 AP1 blast you get by linking 2 is actually very good anti-tank, a linked BS4 blast has an excellent chance to hit. They're cheap, mobile firepower. Although an AV12 vehicle isn't exactly tough, they do have 60" range, so against lots of armies they can stay in far corners and snipe away fairly safely.

**MechaEmperor7000**

The Fire Prism's armor isnt actually that bad considering it's low cost (relative to other blast template tanks like the Vindicator and Leman Russ), especially since all eldar tanks have that armor rating. Try and hide two of them, leaving only one in the open to blast opponents.

If you're worried about anti-tank, take a minimum squad of Fire Dragons and mount them in a Wave serpent with a Lance. That'll be able to fry at least one tank per turn, two tanks at best.

If you can use FW models in your game, go with the Warp Hunter tank. It's far better than any other eldar tank right now (due to it being relatively OP)

**zonino**

I'd say, if you're going to take Fire Prisms, take 2, and hide them behind cover. That way they are protected, you can fire them at seperate things, and if you really need to punch something like a Land Raider, you can Link them up for a Strength 10 AP 1 Twin Linked shot.

It's their versatility that makes them useful though. Anti tank and anti infantry in the one slot. The focused shot can take out even Terminators if they deep strike in or group too close, and the large dispersed shot is great for hordes.

The downside though, as Mr Nobody pointed out, is the blast templates mean scatter out the Wazoo. It's already hard enough for Eldar to hit things with BS 3 without the threat of it scattering wildly, even if the FP get to use BS4.

**MechaEmperor7000**

If two or more Prisoms focus their beams together it's less likely to scatter, and it's mainly why three is a good number, as you get basically a Large blast plasma shot off (which is very hard to completely miss, and will most likely grab something with it's wider reach). 2 focused beams can be used for tank sniping, or you can just have all three fire normal focused beams as well.

**Mr Nobody**

I hear people saying they're good against tanks, but doesn't being a blast weapon make it very difficult to damage tanks?

**notabot187**

Mr Nobody wrote:I hear people saying they're good against tanks, but doesn't being a blast weapon make it very difficult to damage tanks?

Well look at this way. 1/3 are hits. Depending on BS and size of the tank, you actually don't scatter all that much. With this in mind the hit percentage for a BS 4 blast against a rhino or larger target is about 2/3 to 3/4. This is better than firing a solid shot. Also solid shots don't accidentally hit other targets when they miss either.

**MechaEmperor7000**

You have a 44% chance to land a "Hit" on the dice, due to the reroll that comes with the cannon being twin-linked. If you do miss, any roll of a 5 or a less would mean a hit as well, as it would only scatter one inch, most likely landing it on the tank anyways. On a 6 or a 7, you'd still probably hit the tank with the hole unless the deviation was perfectly sideways. Given all of that, you stand a pretty good chance of hitting it.

**tedurur**

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:You have a 44% chance to land a "Hit" on the dice, due to the reroll that comes with the cannon being twin-linked. If you do miss, any roll of a 5 or a less would mean a hit as well, as it would only scatter one inch, most likely landing it on the tank anyways. On a 6 or a 7, you'd still probably hit the tank with the hole unless the deviation was perfectly sideways. Given all of that, you stand a pretty good chance of hitting it.

Actually its a 44% risk of missing both shots. So you have a 56% chance of scoring a hit with a plain reroll. The fact that its BS 4 makes it even more unlikely to you will miss since since only 5out of 6 scatters will scatter. IF you consider the fact that the blast can scatter upto 1" in any direction and still be on target then you are looking at ~ 77% chance when TL

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As for the OPs question. Yes they are nice. I usually only run two tho. Either backed up by 3 scatter walkers or a Holo falcon

**Reanimator**

Thanks for all the help everyone, I'm definitely leaning towards running a pair. Hadn't spotted the twinlinked aspect however, which is a bonus! Now I just have to work out how to put the other 5 things I want into one hvy spt slot...

**MechaEmperor7000**

Lol Did the math wrong on my part. Yeah it is 56% (55.5~% to be exact).