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Ok so i know new gk are coming out so thats why you cant get the dh codex anymore but why would they or when did they pull the witch hunter codex? from the gw online store btw lol

Because Sisters are coming out 2012-ish.

They probably don't feel like doing a new print run of it.

Yup, once the current print run of a codex sells out, they have to decide whether to print more, or just let it sell out... In the case of Witch Hunters, it's a lesser-selling codex, which is due for revising in the foreseeable future, so there is little point running off another batch of it when they're just going to be stuck with most of those copies when the new one is released.

ah ok cheers, thats a shame, i wanted to pick up a copy to have a look at. ebay or a trade it is then lol

GW put them up on their website for free downloads as PDF.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?aId=9800045a

I think you have to register but its no sweat, Grey Knights Codex is up there for free somewhere also.

Yeah you can download it. They've stripped most of the fluff, though, to make it a smaller download, so if you're looking for background stuff you're better off picking one up from e-bay.

Thanks for the link, i already have the dh codex. looked on ebay and there is only one copy there :( anyone got one for trade lol

The download also cut some pages of rules out too. the DH codex has no FOC for example.

They also stripped the allies rule, assuming that they were ever in that book. (If they weren't in there to start, apologies. I've never actually seen a copy of a codex that contained those rules).

The allies were in the DH and WH dexes originally.

As someone who loved taking his Inquisitor Lords and retinues with Guard, this makes me quite unhappy.

Oh well.

No painting section either.

Lizar7 wrote:No painting section either.

I hate to be TFG, but my theory is that the painting/modeling sections were removed because the conversions in the DH/WH books actually involved proper bitz boxing and kit bashing, which is a big now.

I don't buy that a few more pages in the PDF would have been anything more than a blip on the GW monthly bandwidth bill.

If it can't be done by a 10 year old with a videogame-eroded attention span, it doens't belong in The Hobby (TM) (C) anymore.

Like I said, I'm turning into TFG.

Doctor Optimal wrote:

Lizar7 wrote:No painting section either.

I hate to be TFG, but my theory is that the painting/modeling sections were removed because the conversions in the DH/WH books actually involved proper bitz boxing and kit bashing, which is a big now.

I don't buy that a few more pages in the PDF would have been anything more than a blip on the GW monthly bandwidth bill.

If it can't be done by a 10 year old with a videogame-eroded attention span, it doens't belong in The Hobby (TM) (C) anymore.

Like I said, I'm turning into TFG.

I had no idea they discouraged proper kit bashing now. I guess it makes sense though, more moolah for them. I think I'm going to go read some really old white dwarfs to cheer myself up.

Lizar7 wrote:I had no idea they discouraged proper kit bashing now.

They don't.

Doctor Optimal wrote:I hate to be TFG, but my theory is that the painting/modeling sections were removed because the conversions in the DH/WH books actually involved proper bitz boxing and kit bashing, which is a big now.

The new DE codex encourages kitbashing to get alternative DE Archons. Not so much discouraging, they just dont want to waste ink/bandwidth on something that isnt a pseudo-catalogue.

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:

Doctor Optimal wrote:I hate to be TFG, but my theory is that the painting/modeling sections were removed because the conversions in the DH/WH books actually involved proper bitz boxing and kit bashing, which is a big now.

The new DE codex encourages kitbashing to get alternative DE Archons. Not so much discouraging, they just dont want to waste ink/bandwidth on something that isnt a pseudo-catalogue.

This was different from other ranges, their specialist games they seem so eager to forget. Mentions also of using guitar wire and metal tubing instead of shaving power cables off of existing GW products.

Doctor Optimal wrote:The allies were in the DH and WH dexes originally.

As someone who loved taking his Inquisitor Lords and retinues with Guard, this makes me quite unhappy.

Oh well.

Still valid if you have the printed version, that was the clarification from GW when asked about this several times.

Also, as found on the web archive of GW's website, back then they had a service for ordering individual bits of any kit, making conversions (and their guides) a breeze. As this does not exist anymore, most old conversion guides are obsolete. Also, the who using wire & tubing, not GW supplies thing.

ah the glorious days of Black Gobbo, where the web teams actually encouraged and had several articles on how to make alternatives to some of the GW terrain and conversion pieces.










Whoever is the head of the "no conversion advertisment" inititative is going to get a swift kick to the nuts when i meet them.

insaniak wrote:

Lizar7 wrote:I had no idea they discouraged proper kit bashing now.

They don't.

I'll get off my in a second, but I think you're wrong.

A for-instance, look at the Ork codex, the one place I would absolutely expect to see weird and awesome things. Their suggestion? "For a REALLY WILD conversion, try putting the head of a biker on a Loota body!" (Seriously, page 88, just head swaps and adding guns.)

I don't see how you can look at the sort of stuff that used to go into Codex modeling sections (The deodorant Land Speeder? I'm not saying we should go back to that, but it's simply inconceivable that something like that happened once-upon-a-once-upon) and the stuff that goes in now and say there hasn't been a decrease in the modeling skill expected of players and it is no coincidence that this decline has come along at a time when GW's strategy has become more based on churning younger players through the hobby (and who cares if they still play in 18 months, as long as we can book the sales this quarter) and less on supporting older people with multi-year commitments to the hobby.

And I think that's a damn shame.

/Rant

Not showing off as many converted models does not equate to discouraging conversions.

To be honest, I think at least some of it is simply a side-effect of the change in the models. Back in the day when the vehicle range was all spotty and most models were single-piece sculpts, conversions were a nice way of making the range look more attractive. These days, that's not as important... the models (mostly) sell themselves, without needing to be dressed up to look better.

So we see more stock standard models, and fewer conversions. Not because GW want to discourage people from converting, but simply because they want to show off the actual models they sell.

Besides, the models themselves are actually good, unlike before.

Er, that's not actually 'besides'... that was the point.

My FLGS actually still carries both the WH codex and the DH codex on the shelf with all the rest of the current ones. I've been thinking of buying them both for posterity, and possibly selling/trading the WH online as I already have had my copy of it for years.

I like what insaniak said.

look at used bookstores on amazon, i got my DH and WH codexes a year ago or so both near mint condition, they were like 7$ each.