The better runesmith

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**Hashulaman**

We know Dwarfs are known for their powerful ruens, but in the DoC book it says Khorne is a master of making runes to compestate for his dislike for traditonal magic. So who's runes are better, the ones made from khorne or the Dwarf runes? Who is the better god of making runes, Khorne or that Dwarf god whose name escapes me? The one that makes the runes.

**Lexx**

Remember that dwarfs might have made runes to begin with. But chaos dwarfs and likely any runesmiths captured in early history likely sold/gave up some of the secrets of runes. The Chaos dwarfs aren't afraid to corrupt and use their work for evil. Runes are just another tool that has been turned to the chaos powers will.

Also remember the dwarfs in the current setting have lost alot of their rune knowledge with the fall of most of their empire and most talented smiths over the ages. It's hard to say about the skill of their opposing gods in this though.

**Red_Zeke**

The dwarf god you're thinking of is Grungni. I saw a long debate on Bugman's about whether Grungni or Vaul were the better smith.

It's really too abstract of a question to say, but if I had to put one forward (and I'm definitely biased), I'd say Grungni, whose province lies almost entirely in craftsmanship of one kind or another. Khorne has a lot of energy devoted to just straight up killing...

**Da Butcha**

I would think the question might be split into two questions?

What do you consider a "better" rune?

Who makes better runes of that sort?

I think it would be safe to say that Khorne's runes would probably be much more powerful and destructive, but I also think that they might not be the kind of runes most people would want anywhere near their person.

Dwarven runes are not only carefully crafted to channel the forces of magic safely, but they are also constructed to be safe to use, year after year.

On the other hand, if you want a rune that causes your sword to turn into a snarling, semi--sentient Chainsaw which furiously twists in your hand lusting for blood, Khorne is your man.

The Khornate runesword is going to be mad, bad, and dangerous to know, but it will probably be, in sheer destructiveness, more "powerful" than any Dwarf rune weapon.

That's my two cents.

**boogeyman**

Its actually a simple question to answer, dwarf runes are better and their god is the best. Just ask a dwarf, they will tell you and if you disagree, I'm sure they have a runic hammer they will slam into your khorne- loving horned skull.

**Hashulaman**

Actually I'm a tzeentchian thank you. I just read the DoC book how Khorne wa s amaster of binding runes so it got me thinking who was better.

**Hargus56**

Da Butcha wrote:
The Khornate runesword is going to be mad, bad, and dangerous to know, but it will probably be, in sheer destructiveness, more "powerful" than any Dwarf rune weapon.

How wrong you are sir. The Axe of Grimnir that of High King Thorgrim Grudgebearer does the following:

-It will strike with enough strength to wound it's target on a 2+, if it is attacking a target with T10 it still need a 2+ and because of that counts as being the high strength for armor save modifiers, for example against a T8 the Strength of the hit would be 10 and therefore be at -7 armor save.
-Speaking of armor saves, when wounded by this weapon armor saves are not allowed.
-Each wound inflicted becomes D3 wounds or D6 if the opponent is a troll or giant.

**Hashulaman**

Do Dwarfs have any runic weapons that negate magic weapons like the Obsidian armor a Bloodthirster can take?

**DukeRustfield**

Chaos Dwarfs are straight-up mages. I never thought of them as being excellent runesmiths. In fact, looking at my old Chaos Dwarf book, they don't have any at all. They got Sorcerer Lords (and lesser ones) but no runes. Their special characters have weapons of great technological advancement, but again, no runes. They made stuff like blunderbusses and rocket launchers and pure mages. Why bother with runes? Even the WoC book has Hellcannons as being manned by Chaos Dwarfs.