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HQ:
Belial
TH / SS
[130]

Elites:
(5) Deathwing Terminator Squad
Chainfist, 4x TH/SS, CML
[240]

Venerable Dreadnought
Multimelta, Heavy Flamer
Drop Pod
[200]

Venerable Dreadnought
Multimelta, Heavy Flamer
Drop Pod
[200]

Troops:
(5) Deathwing Terminator Squad
Apothecary, Standard, Chainfist, 3x TH/SS, CML
[290]

(5) Deathwing Terminator Squad
Chainfist, 4x TH/SS, CML
[240]

(5) Deathwing Terminator Squad
Chainfist, 4x TH/SS, CML
[240]

(5) Deathwing Terminator Squad
Chainfist, 4x TH/SS, CML
[240]

(5) Deathwing Terminator Squad
Chainfist, 4x TH/SS, CML
[240]

(5) Deathwing Terminator Squad
Chainfist, 4x TH/SS, CML
[240]

Fast Attack:
Land Speeder Typhoon
Multimelta
[75]

Land Speeder Typhoon
Multimelta
[75]

Land Speeder Typhoon
Multimelta
[75]

[2485]

Yea, so this is a new pet project. That quest for a close-combat army seems to have resolved itself with a Deathwing-style army. I get the enjoyment of all the phases of the game this way, from the heavy dose of shooting to the beatings of close-combat. Anyhow, twenty missiles at ten targets a turn should be sufficient to bust up damn near anything. That is good for hordes and good for anti-armor. My only worry would be Land Raider, but with 7 Chainfists and five Multimeltas in the list, it shouldn't be the end of the world.

The Typhoons sit back behind cover and lob missiles, while 4 Deathwing squads drop down in front of the opponent and toss down missiles. The Dreads drop when they can and try to cause some hurting. That is a unit I am tinkering with - I was thinking of opting with the TL Las/ML Dread without a pod, so give me more ranged shooting, but that doesn't solve the AV14 dilemma, which I think might be a moot point in the metagame nowadays.

Thoughts?


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Here is an alternative that might be short-lived, due to the GK Hero in it. Best way to get a good Hood on the board, imo.

HQ:
Belial
Lightning Claws
[130]

Grey Knight Hero
Psychic Hood
[81]

Elites:
(5) Deathwing Terminator Squad
4x TH / SS, CML, Chainfist
[240]

Troops:
(5) Deathwing Terminator Squad
4x TH / SS, CML, Apothecary, Chainfist
[270]

(5) Deathwing Terminator Squad
4x TH / SS, CML, Chainfist
[240]

(5) Deathwing Terminator Squad
4x TH / SS, CML, Chainfist
[240]

(5) Deathwing Terminator Squad
4x TH / SS, CML, Chainfist
[240]

(5) Deathwing Terminator Squad
4x TH / SS, CML, Chainfist
[240]

(5) Deathwing Terminator Squad
4x TH / SS, CML, Chainfist
[240]

Fast Attack:
(3) Ravenwing Attack Squadron
2x Meltaguns
Attack Bike w/ Multimelta
[190]

(3) Ravenwing Attack Squadron
2x Meltaguns
Attack Bike w/ Multimelta
[190]

(3) Ravenwing Attack Squadron
2x Meltaguns
Attack Bike w/ Multimelta
[190]

[2491]

LEGAL UNTIL APRIL! Anyhow, RW for the Homers, Meltas. Basics otherwise.

We got word at the Hobbit last Friday that GW will be running the Fantasy Ard Boyz in April and the 40K Ard Boyz in August.

With that said, I'd forget about the 2nd list as it will most likely not be legal. I like the 1st list. No matter what you play, dealing with 35 SS/TH Terminators is going to be tough. I don't even think Deathwing Assault is really even necessary with this kind of army. It can slowly advance and pin an opponent down with assault.

I've been trying to work out how I can handle an army like this with my Eldar. Sadly, it's coming down to Seer Council as a tarpit and as many Scatterlasers I can get and torrent Terminators. Right now, I'm not liking my odds.

Yea, it looks extremely unpleasant. August? I won't make it in time, I am guessing. Just priced out the army and I am not a happy camper.

DW Assault is a good option, even if you don't use it. Being able to start off close might have advantages depending on the circumstances.

Nevertheless, I am pretty excited about putting the army together. Nothing looks cooler than an army of Terminators.

How about ezekail (sp?) for the hood?

Oh god, 35 2+ 3++ uber melee dudes.
GW does not favor SM in anyway, and loves all their races .

A Dark Angels Libby in Term armor is just as good as a Vanilla Libby in Term armour due to their Psyhic Test save. Roll a psychic test, you pass, you save. GG.

As far as the CML, I'm loving it. With the new DA FAQ update, I've been too busy Playing instead of helping people with lists as usual.

The Dreadnaughts probably won't see board @ the same time, which is a bit worrisome to me =(

Rashim wrote:A Dark Angels Libby in Term armor is just as good as a Vanilla Libby in Term armour due to their Psyhic Test save. Roll a psychic test, you pass, you save. GG.

As far as the CML, I'm loving it. With the new DA FAQ update, I've been too busy Playing instead of helping people with lists as usual.

The Dreadnaughts probably won't see board @ the same time, which is a bit worrisome to me =(

DA Libby only has leadership 9 and has really lame physic abilities.

At our lfgs today we were messing around with some list ideas.

Wound up with 46 termies (including belial) amassing 9 cml's, 40 of the termies were th/ss and 6 were sb/chain fist, 3 speeders with tml/hb and 6 of the termie unites were troops.

I don't know how it would play, but 24 missiles a turn seemed to be a good idea.

I would sugest a Lib. with terminator armor for hood...

Ven dred..pretty ok...but I don't like the pods...I would switch one ved dred with another squad
DW 5Xterm-cml -235

Another good ideea will berop the dred-drop the pods... 415 points to spare...

And you get : 2 devastors squads :

5X Dev-4ML -170
5X Dev-3ML-150
TL Razorback-80
15 points for LC,Plasma whateva'

Think about it-another 7 Missiles plus on Lascannon.Mo important-if they shoot your Devastator-your speeders and terminators are alive-Devs in cover-hard to kill

Ven dred can be ok-but melta will kill him-my own experience-with the re-rol,popping smoke etc-he will still die in 1 turn
Drop pods..meh

PS: DA Libby has LD10-Rites of Battle for Psychic Hood
And Ld 9 for powers...but Ld 9---you will 90%do the tests

usa_supersonic wrote:I would sugegt a Librarina with terminator armor for hood...

Ld9 hood is fail sauce.

Unless there are some ld10 libby's in the DA book besides ezekial...

Thoughts on Ravenwing Bikers vs. Typhoons?

Edit:

Well, if all else fails, SPAM!

HQ:
Belial
Lightning Claws
[130]

Ezekiel
[170]

Elites:
(5) Deathwing Terminator Squad
Chainfist, 4x TH/SS, CML
[240]

(5) Deathwing Terminator Squad
Chainfist, 4x TH/SS, CML
[240]

Troops:
(5) Deathwing Terminator Squad
4x TH / SS, CML, Apothecary, Standard, Chainfist
[295]

(5) Deathwing Terminator Squad
Chainfist, 4x TH/SS, CML
[240]

(5) Deathwing Terminator Squad
Chainfist, 4x TH/SS, CML
[240]

(5) Deathwing Terminator Squad
Chainfist, 4x TH/SS, CML
[240]

(5) Deathwing Terminator Squad
Chainfist, 4x TH/SS, CML
[240]

(5) Deathwing Terminator Squad
Chainfist, 4x TH/SS, CML
[240]

Fast Attack:
Land Speeder Typhoon
Multimelta
[75]

Land Speeder Typhoon
Multimelta
[75]

Land Speeder Typhoon
Multimelta
[75]

[2500]

Sickening. Not a lot of Melta, but not alot of AV14 running around nowadays anyhow! Even so, I have enough Chainfists and a few Multimeltas, if I really need to bother. If I can keep the Typhoons concealed, they should be fine, but even if they get only a few shots off, they are too good and too cheap not to have. This is 22 Missiles per turn going at 11 targets. Mech Guard? Razorback Spam? Hordes? The absolute only lists I need fear are Land Raider spam and I swear, I don't think I will see it anytime soon. 32 TH/SS Terminators on the table! Not only would that be beautiful, but good god! Some folks mike question the lack of mobility, but I wonder if it will truly matter.

Thoughts?

I don't see lack of mobility being an issue as each unit can move and fire. Personally, I like a small unit or RW w/ Attack Bike to take on the key tank or outflanking, but it's a minor quibble.

The biggest issue I'd have running this army is just what you stated: SPAM. I'd get bored painting and playing all the same stuff.

Thankfully, if I did this army, it would be a labor of love. Since I am finally getting out of the painting business, I will have time to really lavish on the details with Scibor-style additions and a ton of fluff for each model, which having only ~50 of them means I can do it and relish the hobby, instead of it being a drudgery. I probably will magnetize a few options, such as Chainfists, Lightning Claws, Assault Cannons, Flamers, etc. I do like having options, just for fun, but I am too competitive not to play the best lists I can muster. Also, as you may well know, Hit Point isn't a "casual" shop, by any stretch,

imweasel wrote:

usa_supersonic wrote:I would sugegt a Librarina with terminator armor for hood...

Ld9 hood is fail sauce.

Unless there are some ld10 libby's in the DA book besides ezekial...

It's table wide though, not 24inchs... For 1 less leadership, I'll take it. (Didn't get FAQ'ed bitches!)

Ld 9 has a ~27% chance of stoping a power where as ld 10 has a ~42% chance. Thats quite a difference.

tedurur wrote:Ld 9 has a ~27% chance of stoping a power where as ld 10 has a ~42% chance. Thats quite a difference.

This.

When it's 3/2 against you stopping a power as opposed to 3/1, it goes from something that is useful to something that is bad.

Well, I opted for Ezekiel for the Ld10 Hood.

Any comments before I get playtesting on that final list?

Automatically Appended Next Post:

em_en_oh_pee wrote:Thoughts on Ravenwing Bikers vs. Typhoons?

Edit:

Well, if all else fails, SPAM!

HQ:
Belial
Lightning Claws
[130]

Ezekiel
[170]

Elites:
(5) Deathwing Terminator Squad
Chainfist, 4x TH/SS, CML
[240]

(5) Deathwing Terminator Squad
Chainfist, 4x TH/SS, CML
[240]

Troops:
(5) Deathwing Terminator Squad
4x TH / SS, CML, Apothecary, Standard, Chainfist
[295]

(5) Deathwing Terminator Squad
Chainfist, 4x TH/SS, CML
[240]

(5) Deathwing Terminator Squad
Chainfist, 4x TH/SS, CML
[240]

(5) Deathwing Terminator Squad
Chainfist, 4x TH/SS, CML
[240]

(5) Deathwing Terminator Squad
Chainfist, 4x TH/SS, CML
[240]

(5) Deathwing Terminator Squad
Chainfist, 4x TH/SS, CML
[240]

Fast Attack:
Land Speeder Typhoon
Multimelta
[75]

Land Speeder Typhoon
Multimelta
[75]

Land Speeder Typhoon
Multimelta
[75]

[2500]

Sickening. Not a lot of Melta, but not alot of AV14 running around nowadays anyhow! Even so, I have enough Chainfists and a few Multimeltas, if I really need to bother. If I can keep the Typhoons concealed, they should be fine, but even if they get only a few shots off, they are too good and too cheap not to have. This is 22 Missiles per turn going at 11 targets. Mech Guard? Razorback Spam? Hordes? The absolute only lists I need fear are Land Raider spam and I swear, I don't think I will see it anytime soon. 32 TH/SS Terminators on the table! Not only would that be beautiful, but good god! Some folks mike question the lack of mobility, but I wonder if it will truly matter.

Thoughts?

This is the exact same list one of our players came up with tonight.

I say go for it!

Great minds? It seems like a good formula, if not a bit bland.

The next big hurdle, aside from the $500 or so to build it, will be picking a Chapter. I tend to dislike Dark Angels, so I need to find another Terminator-heavy Chapter that I like.

Any suggestions?

em_en_oh_pee wrote:Great minds? It seems like a good formula, if not a bit bland.

The next big hurdle, aside from the $500 or so to build it, will be picking a Chapter. I tend to dislike Dark Angels, so I need to find another Terminator-heavy Chapter that I like.

Any suggestions?

I believe what you are talking about is something that folks refer to as...fluff.

Someday I will google it. Sorry, can't help you there.

Personally, I just go with a color scheme I like.

Also, had some thoughts about this:

HQ:
Belial
Lightning Claws
[130]

Terminator Librarian
Combi-Melta, Meltabombs
[155]

Elites:
(5) Deathwing Terminator Squad
Chainfist, 4x TH/SS, CML
[240]

Troops:
(5) Deathwing Terminator Squad
4x TH / SS, CML, Apothecary, Standard, Chainfist
[295]

(5) Deathwing Terminator Squad
Chainfist, 4x TH/SS, CML
[240]

(5) Deathwing Terminator Squad
Chainfist, 4x TH/SS, CML
[240]

(5) Deathwing Terminator Squad
Chainfist, 4x TH/SS, CML
[240]

(5) Deathwing Terminator Squad
Chainfist, 4x TH/SS, CML
[240]

(5) Deathwing Terminator Squad
Chainfist, 4x TH/SS, CML
[240]

Fast Attack:
Land Speeder Typhoon
Multimelta
[75]

Land Speeder Typhoon
Multimelta
[75]

Land Speeder Typhoon
Multimelta
[75]

Heavy:
Whirlwind
[85]

Whirlwind
[85]

Whirlwind
[85]

[2500]

With Rites of Battle, I have the Ld10 Hood and with Terminator armor, he can arrive via DW Assault. Beats Ezekiel in that regard. I tossed out one DW Squad to give me an odd number and make room for a trio of Whirlwinds. This gives me a way to hit stuff like Orks, Baron-Hellion Squads, or Guard Platoons that are using cover, etc. Just something to try out, though.

Thoughts?

I'm getting in limited playtesting with Deathwing at 1500 and 2000 points (just started this army this week).

If you're not using Ezekiel, don't even bother with a Librarian and just try to gut it out against psychic powers. Null Zone will be a huge problem.

I think I'd rather have another squad of Terminators than 3 Whirlwinds. I could see massaging your points totals to include a single whirlwind, which is typically possible to get out of LoS and is a psychological deterrent against giant blob lists, but really you're already packing 20 blast templates at 2.5k; if that's not capable of thinning out the horde then another two blasts aren't going to help you. That's just my opinion.

The only other tweak that I myself am still on the fence over is taking a single squad of Tactical Terminators with SBs + Th/SS CML. In objective missions I seem to have a squad of gumps that just has to sit in the back/side field watching everybody else fight. Four stormbolters isn't a *lot* of dakka, but they're still more useful than four guys doing nothing. I figure that if my opponent has so much firepower that the lack of storm shields is meaningful, I've already lost.

28 Storm Shields? WOW

I like your first list

RoB will not give you a ld 10 hood. I would take Ezekiel for the hood even if he is overpriced. The WWs can be a nice addition no doubt.

tedurur wrote:RoB will not give you a ld 10 hood. I would take Ezekiel for the hood even if he is overpriced. The WWs can be a nice addition no doubt.

Damn, correct on the RoB. Well, back to Zeke I go. Might need to toss a Whirlwind to make that happen, but I am not sure. Need to re-jigger a bit.

Whirlwinds seem worthwhile, folks? It certainly gives the list less bodies, but more blasts and a way to ignore cover. I will test it out and see if its a worthwhile set-up and let folks know how it goes. Just need to proxy up everything this week.

em_en_oh_pee wrote:Damn, correct on the RoB. Well, back to Zeke I go. Might need to toss a Whirlwind to make that happen, but I am not sure. Need to re-jigger a bit.

Whirlwinds seem worthwhile, folks? It certainly gives the list less bodies, but more blasts and a way to ignore cover. I will test it out and see if its a worthwhile set-up and let folks know how it goes. Just need to proxy up everything this week.

To what end? Are you that afraid of lootas? Long fangs?

I suppose it could help out some vs dark eldar, but I'm not sure what else it would help you out against that you already can't handle?

Whirlwinds would be solid for dealing with Ork hordse, IG blobs, Baron Deathstars, and similar units. Things that are fragile, but camp and use cover as their best option. This is for 'Ard Boyz, so its worth taking into consideration.

em_en_oh_pee wrote:Whirlwinds would be solid for dealing with Ork hordse, IG blobs, Baron Deathstars, and similar units. Things that are fragile, but camp and use cover as their best option. This is for 'Ard Boyz, so its worth taking into consideration.

The list I quoted had 22 ml's in it. Quite a few blast templates. Even with cover, that's going to be a lot of wounds.

You would have to bring me up to speed on Baron Deathstars.

DE Baron Sathonyx with 20 Hellions. 3+ Cover saves with a re-roll on terrain tests. Ugly unit to deal with.

True enough. I can test out the all Terminator list sans the Whirlwinds first and see if I even need them. I wanted to avoid vehicles as much as I could, but the Typhoons are too good to pass up and not too harsh on my wallet, either.