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i am starting a warriors of chaos army and i want to know some things about an all-cav army of 2500 points.
maybe to switch my first hero to a sorcerer... i dont know...
kholek (because i like him)
ex. hero (with the unit of 11 marauder horseman)
MON
deamonic mount
chaos runesword
shield
ex. hero (with the unit knights)
MON
deamonic mount
BSB blastard banner
horseman 11*
LA
flails
MOK full com.
horseman 12*
LA
flails
MOK full com.
horseman 6* (just for stalking and the last points of FOC)
LA
flails
MOK full com.
chaos knigths 10*
MON
full com.
banner of rage
giant
let me know about youre C&C!!!
don't think, you have to know it if you want to be a commander 2010-> IG losses:5, draws: 1, wins: a really lot of wins
2011 IG losses: 2, draws: 1 wins: 32
2012 losses: 8, draws: 0 wins: 15
Giant seems a bit out of place, and isn't as good as a Dragon Ogre Shaggoth. Since you're using Kholek, a shaggoth would be a much better fit, imho! He's also a hair faster (M7 instead of M6) and so can keep up with the cav better.
Not sure how viable it is, you've really only got one (small) hard-hitting unit in there. I might drop the non-BSB hero, and perhaps the giant/shaggoth, and shave any points from your core (if you're not at the minimum already) to try to get another solid unit of knights in there. One hard unit at 2.5K just isn't going to get it done!
RiTides wrote:Not sure how viable it is, you've really only got one (small) hard-hitting unit in there.
Special K is kind of a big deal!
All cav chaos is a bit hard to pull off in 8th, but thankfully you've gone for the all cav + monsters option I too am in favor of the shaggoth over the giant, and also of having some kind of sorcerer to help your lads out. Downside is that his miscasts will really ruin the unit he's with, since they are all so small ...
Anyway, if you'd like to see my tweak, click below:
There's the sorcerer, still riding the demo-pony but now with some gear to survive incoming artillery (3/5+ save). Really, this list presents so many tasty targets for enemy guns, yet closes so fast, that I think the shaggy or kholek will likely draw whatever fire was headed to snipe off your MC characters.
The BSB dropped the magic banner, which should have been on the knights themselves all along, and picked up a juggernaut, a 2+ to ignore the first cannon shield (which he wears on his back), a rerollable 1+ save, and 6 WS7 S6 attaks. Word.
The horsemen unit that the sorcerer most likely rides with is now capable of running 6 wide and 3 ranks deep (remember demonic mount is on a 50x50 so takes up 2 cav spots) or simply really wide for more attaks. They kept their champ to keep the sorcerer from embarrassing challenges, but all other champs have been dropped for points. The small horsemen lost their frenzy and their flails for a more tactical role, intended to advance for enemy artillery while hurling t.axes at exposed faces. Also, variety is good.
The knights lost their smelly mark - few things that roll to hit them will also negate their 1+ save significantly - and bought their own frenzy, freeing their standard up for the 5+ ward vs cannons and such. Otherwise, no champ because he's expensive as hell.
And there's the shaggy, wearing a big bullseye for artillery (always a tragic fashion choice). I really do like my one though, quite a good monster if a bit overcosted.
- Salvage
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2011/01/26 18:18:13
RiTides wrote:Not sure how viable it is, you've really only got one (small) hard-hitting unit in there.
Special K is kind of a big deal!
All cav chaos is a bit hard to pull off in 8th, but thankfully you've gone for the all cav + monsters option I too am in favor of the shaggoth over the giant, and also of having some kind of sorcerer to help your lads out. Downside is that his miscasts will really ruin the unit he's with, since they are all so small ...
Anyway, if you'd like to see my tweak, click below:
There's the sorcerer, still riding the demo-pony but now with some gear to survive incoming artillery (3/5+ save). Really, this list presents so many tasty targets for enemy guns, yet closes so fast, that I think the shaggy or kholek will likely draw whatever fire was headed to snipe off your MC characters.
The BSB dropped the magic banner, which should have been on the knights themselves all along, and picked up a juggernaut, a 2+ to ignore the first cannon shield (which he wears on his back), a rerollable 1+ save, and 6 WS7 S6 attaks. Word.
The horsemen unit that the sorcerer most likely rides with is now capable of running 6 wide and 3 ranks deep (remember demonic mount is on a 50x50 so takes up 2 cav spots) or simply really wide for more attaks. They kept their champ to keep the sorcerer from embarrassing challenges, but all other champs have been dropped for points. The small horsemen lost their frenzy and their flails for a more tactical role, intended to advance for enemy artillery while hurling t.axes at exposed faces. Also, variety is good.
The knights lost their smelly mark - few things that roll to hit them will also negate their 1+ save significantly - and bought their own frenzy, freeing their standard up for the 5+ ward vs cannons and such. Otherwise, no champ because he's expensive as hell.
And there's the shaggy, wearing a big bullseye for artillery (always a tragic fashion choice). I really do like my one though, quite a good monster if a bit overcosted.
- Salvage
thanks salvage, i can really us this information!
don't think, you have to know it if you want to be a commander 2010-> IG losses:5, draws: 1, wins: a really lot of wins
2011 IG losses: 2, draws: 1 wins: 32
2012 losses: 8, draws: 0 wins: 15
I really like the idea for the army, though I agree a bit more with Salvage's build. I just don't see the point of MoN on anything other than casters who want the spells. I think though that it could be a really fun army, and want to build something similar myself some day.
How do you plan to model Kholek? Big challenge, but should be really cool!
Wehrkind wrote:I really like the idea for the army, though I agree a bit more with Salvage's build. I just don't see the point of MoN on anything other than casters who want the spells. I think though that it could be a really fun army, and want to build something similar myself some day.
How do you plan to model Kholek? Big challenge, but should be really cool!
i thought to take a shaggot and give hime a helmet of greenstuff and an hammer of something i have in my bitbox, don't know it for now
don't think, you have to know it if you want to be a commander 2010-> IG losses:5, draws: 1, wins: a really lot of wins
2011 IG losses: 2, draws: 1 wins: 32
2012 losses: 8, draws: 0 wins: 15
I will echo removing MON. I ran it when I first started on warrios because I thought it made sense with sword and board units but it just never really helped. MOT or MOK work much better imo.
Wehrkind wrote:I really like the idea for the army, though I agree a bit more with Salvage's build. I just don't see the point of MoN on anything other than casters who want the spells. I think though that it could be a really fun army, and want to build something similar myself some day.
How do you plan to model Kholek? Big challenge, but should be really cool!
i thought to take a shaggot and give hime a helmet of greenstuff and an hammer of something i have in my bitbox, don't know it for now
Might work out. I had been thinking that given his immense size and heavy armor etc. he would need to be a kitbash from a garage kit or other large scale model. A lot of work though, which is probably why no one really uses him
I've seen people attempt to convert a carnosaur into a shaggoth; the real problem is what upper torso to put on it... I still am not sure about that.
Perhaps the torso from the defiler for 40k (is that the right name? the one with mechanical legs and a daemon-looking torso on top) would work, but I haven't seen it done.
There is also an ebay seller that makes a very convincing kholek and throgg models from the artwork in the book, I'm not sure about the legality of how they made those sculpts, but they certainly look convincing!
Hehe given the art work in the book, you probably could use an old He-Man toy with the carnasaur body and not look too far off He looks about 30 feet tall in that picture.
Sorry, im at odds here. I mean its your 1st Chaos army list and youre going for 2.5k off the bat?
I mean I just started Warhammer with Chaos a month ago and got together 1k and had 2 games so far. Recent purchases is getting me to 1250. Surely youd be better off starting smaller.
My opinion is youll likely lose half your army to shooting by turn 2, zilch armour horsemen and giant/other monster.
Cant see any magic defence for your knights either. With MoK, you can be baited to charge a unit of say spearmen 6" ahead of his army as all your cav will be forced to charge them.
Sorry, didnt see Salvages spoiler advice, but I still post this^
don't think, you have to know it if you want to be a commander 
I too am in favor of the shaggoth over the giant, and also of having some kind of sorcerer to help your lads out. Downside is that his miscasts will really ruin the unit he's with, since they are all so small ...
He looks about 30 feet tall in that picture.
