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Some more help please.

Im thinking of putting my exalted on a chariot, which is cheaper than buying one from the special choices and doesnt use special points.

Id like MoKhorne but am unsure whether to put it on the hero or the chariot. Its cheaper on the hero, but would it give the other warrior next to him 3 attacks?

If I put the mark on the chariot, would it make the hero frenzied?

Thanks for insight

If the MoK only states the "bearer" receives frenzy, then only the bearer receives the additional attack. If it states the "model" is subject to frenzy, which I believe it does, then the entire model would get frenzy.

Ok, so Ill add the mark on the chariot, which should make the hero frenzied then. Just designing some sort of battering ram chariot for Vs T3-4 armies.

D6+1 S5 and 5-7 WS7 S5 attacks from the hero and 4 more attacks (S4/5) from the crew and horses sound nasty.

So, if the chariots with MoK makes him frenzied, can I give him his own mark? say MoN

TY

It depends on the rules for chariots and marks - I thought you couldnt give the chariot a different mark to the rider.

Sure. Well tonights game, ill just say the chariot is marked, if thats disputed ill say the heros is, either way Im determined to get +1 hits from the hero and the accompaning warrior^

If not, ill mark them both perhaps.

The potential for 7 S5 impact hits, 5 S5 from hero and 3 S5 from warriors, plus 2 S4s from horses = 17 S4+ hits is giving me a semi Ill thow the sword which gives +2 attacks or 1 for each in base contact makes it even better.

ONLY a semi? You're not geeking out enough then!

As I said - check the MoK wording carefully. I'm pretty certain it states "model", therefore the entire model (including the steeds and the driver) get an extra attack. I think there is something that stops you mixing marks on chariots, but I cant recall or check as i dont have the army book with me.

Well I reserve the right for a full on shlong when I see it in action^
Yeah, im at work, but ill check it out at my GW for tonights game. Will let you know.

Stop it, you'll make people blush...

It hits warmachines and light stuff very hard. Just remember it NEVER gets steadfast, so if you lose combat you're probably stuffed....

nosferatu1001 wrote:It depends on the rules for chariots and marks - I thought you couldnt give the chariot a different mark to the rider.

you can't have a different mark, but you could leave it unmarked.


i am of the opinion that the Character will benifit from his mark only. the chariot will benifit from it's mark only.

Yea but that's just an oppinion
But we don't wanna open the "rider and/or mount" can of worms again

"a model with te mark of khorne is subject to frenzy" WoC army book, pg 110

"if a character is given a chariot as a mount, that character displaces one of the freemen automatically." Chariot entry in WoC army book, pg 124

Looks like whatever mark is on the chariot would have give the benefits to the character. The character can't have a different mark then the chartiot and his mark wouldn't transfer over to the chariot. That's just how It looks though, it's possible that's wrong.

Ugh, I wish they'd make that more clear. We ran into the question with chaos knights (does the mark affect the horsies? seems so, but we played it didn't on the spur of the moment...)

It affects thuechariot and knights, as they are all ONE model

Not sure about the chariot. I'm of the opinion if the chariot is marked, the character gets the benefits as well. As a side note, for Knights the whole models would receive the bonus, however, if you're inquiring about Frenzy, which I assume you are, only the knight gets the +1 Attack. Not the horse. That info is on page 82 of the small rulebook.

My two coppers...

Grey Templar wrote:i am of the opinion that the Character will benifit from his mark only. the chariot will benifit from it's mark only.

And I'm of the opinion that you should grow a pair and mark both character and chariot. Points cost isn't prohibitive, arguments are none and making sense is high. Just saying

- Salvage

A semi-related question. Does Marks of Chaos carry over on standard mounted units to their mounts such as Chaos Knights and Marauder horsemen?

In these cases, look at the wording. Specifically for units- the mark grants the entire unit the mark. So, as written, giving a unit of Chaos Knights (or marauder cav) the Mark of Khorne also gives the steeds Frenzy.

IIRC it uses the word 'model' which is why the horses would benefit. If it said unit then the mounts wouldn't gain the benefit.

Infreak wrote:IIRC it uses the word 'model' which is why the horses would benefit. If it said unit then the mounts wouldn't gain the benefit.

Arn't the horses part of the unit?

I will have to check the wording exactly when I get home, but this is good to know. At the GW I play at it is assumed that the horses never get an extra attack, I will have to challenge this me thinks.

The Mok grants frenzy to the *model*

Cavalry, Chariots, Dragon mounts are all one model with 2 profiles, but that doesnt stop them being *one* model.

As such, if you give the MoK to a chariot the horses, guy standing next to the hero AND the hero get Frenzy. Or vice versa

Grey Templar wrote:

Infreak wrote:IIRC it uses the word 'model' which is why the horses would benefit. If it said unit then the mounts wouldn't gain the benefit.

Arn't the horses part of the unit?

I can't remember how the rules for Frenzy are worded, but I'm fairly certain the way the rule has been laid out disallows mounts from gaining the extra attack that is normally granted by Frenzy. The exception may be under the cavalry section as well. The mounts will still have the berserker charge rule or whatever it's called. There was a thread a few months back that dealt with this topic.

Here is a link to the thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/309440.page

Now to get back to the topic at hand, I agree with NoS. MoK is a unique method to gain frenzy which, in the wording for MoK, gives it to the model. So give the mark to the lord/hero and if you take a chariot as a mount then it too would benefit.

Not this again, the cav tules say taht if one part of the comnbo (rider and mount) has frenzy only that part gets the exta attack (again the rider or the mount), however in the case of the mark the entire model has frenzy so both parts have their own frenzy.
So in short if a rider has frenzy, like say savage orcs, only he has the extra attack, but if a unit has frenzy, via the frenzy banner (whos name escapes me at the moment) bith the riders and mounts will get the attack, and if the model has frenzy due to mark of khorne both parts of the model, rider and mount, will also get the extra attack.
Dang that wasn't short at all

PS: Give that thread a skim it's pretty funny at some places