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So, just for fun, I'm running a dual hammer chapter master in a Vulkan list. Since he has two mastercrafted hammers, that therefore means he gets to re-roll two of his attacks correct?

And a sidenote: I can't find the page that discusses master crafted weapons in the BRB, if anyone could point me to the right page I would greatly appreciate that

You would only get to re-roll 1 attack. The only benefit of having two hammers, would be that you gain an addition attack. For the points, its not worth giving your character two hammers. However it would look cool haha.

I believe master crafted weapons are only in the space marine codex.

I believe Master crafted is in the Codex not the main book. I could be wrong.

Many people seem to believe that two Master-crafted weapons of the same type do not allow two re-rolls. I once had an argument with Gwar! about it, and I still reckon you'd get two re-rolls. I will continue to believe so until someone can prove otherwise with citation from the rules.

I found one reference in the BRB to Master Crafted on page 18 in thetop left but it is not an explanation. I think the term master crafted may be in the SM codex which I don't have with me.

The master crafted rule (I believe) says you may re-roll one failed to hit, which means having two weapons does not change the fact that you may only re-roll one to hit.

Lord PoPo master crafted weapons pg 98 of codex space marines

You do NOT gain the ability to re-roll two dice.

BGB p42 under "Fighting with two single-handed close combat weapons":

Two of the same special weapon
These models gain one additional attack. All of their attacks, including the bonus attack, use the special weapon's bonuses and penalties.

Notice that it doesn't tell you to double the bonuses and penalties and it uses the singular weapon's and not the multiple weapons'. You just count as using 1 of the special weapon with a bonus attack.

It could be interpreted as you get to use the singular weapon's bonuses and penalties, yet because you have two, you get to use it once for each one.

It doesn't specify that you don't just use the abilities once from each weapon. While you might then argue that you'd get to re-roll re-rolls with two Lightning Claws, that is already clarified by the rule that states you may only ever re-roll a dice once.

I can see where you're coming from, Grakmar, and while it's a strong case, two re-rolls are always gonna be better than one, eh?

Darkvoidof40k wrote: yet because you have two, you get to use it once for each one.

You do not use 2 weapons in CC, however. Having the second gives the first a bonus.

As was previously pointed out.

Editing for better words.

True. I think that it's a bad rules representation, though.

Very well, I concede the point. Nonetheless, stupid rule.

Darkvoidof40k wrote:True. I think that it's a bad rules representation, though.
. . .
Nonetheless, stupid rule.

Very well, I concede the point.

you mean that my crappy non EW 200 point chapter master is going to be even worse than I thought..?

Oh well, gonna post some bat reps of this guy in action in a week xD

thanks for the interpretation dakka!

You could just use Lysander instead.

Just don't waste the points MCing the second one.

If he is running Vulkan wouldn't it just come MC?

Mannahnin wrote:Just don't waste the points MCing the second one.

Vulkan MCs them. You can't MC things as standard in the SM book.

Corrode wrote:

Mannahnin wrote:Just don't waste the points MCing the second one.

Vulkan MCs them. You can't MC things as standard in the SM book.

Like a fool, I came back to the thread later and forgot the MC was coming from Vulkan, despite his name being right in the title.

I think that is the correct interpretation of the rule. I will, however, state that if WE were playing a friendly game and you brought your Chapter Master Dual-Wielding Thunder Hammers to the field, I would absolutely allow you to re-roll a second miss. Just because it makes paying for 2 of them less ridiculous and because its pure awesomeness.

But yeah, RAW thats 30 points for +1 Attack... /sigh

Magister187 wrote:I think that is the correct interpretation of the rule. I will, however, state that if WE were playing a friendly game and you brought your Chapter Master Dual-Wielding Thunder Hammers to the field, I would absolutely allow you to re-roll a second miss. Just because it makes paying for 2 of them less ridiculous and because its pure awesomeness.

But yeah, RAW thats 30 points for +1 Attack... /sigh Well we wouldn't want any non special characters being used that weren't librarians now would we?

Oh lord.. There's no way in the warp that I would ever bring this to a non friendly game lol. Glad to know that people like Dual hammernator guy so much .

I'm also trying to think of a name for the guy... so... any advice would be welcome...

My Tigurius stand in is named Lord PoPo, and my Vulkan stand in is Captain Fire McFire Pants..

Chapter Master McHammernator?
CM Thunder McHammersmacky?
Master Thundersmack?

I always used to refer to my Interrogator-Chaplain as the Chappy or the Chap-Daddy.

Master Hammer Smash.

I totally wanted to write Masta Hamma Smasha but then I remembered we weren't talking about orks

I'd go with Remmah, Chapter Master. Usually abbreviated to Remmah, CM...
Also, make sure to model Parachute Pants.

PraetorDave wrote:Master Hammer Smash.

I totally wanted to write Masta Hamma Smasha but then I remembered we weren't talking about orks

Chapter Master Master Hammer Smash it is then

I have always wanted to do a double hammer captain/CM. Just cause it is so badass. I wouldn't actually use him, just sit him on my desk, and threaten people with his fists of power.

I dont care what you all say, his name needs to be "Cpt StawpHaymertime pronounced St-aww-p Hay-mer Tee-em

Why not give him the obvious name? MC Hammer! Just greenstuff his legs a little and viola.

Just wondering, does the Space Marine Commander box come with dual hammers? Or are they in a different set?

You don't get any Hammers in the Commander box set.

These are the only weapons you get:

Left arms -
Power sword
Power fist
Chainsword w/bionic arm
Lightning Claw

Right arms - (enough parts to make two of the following)
Plasma pistol
Combi-Plasma
Combi-Melta
Bolt pistol
Bolter ?

Darkvoidof40k wrote:You could just use Lysander instead.

Whilst an emminently good idea, it would be difficult to convert Lysander's model to fit the MC Hammer theme.

Although you could quite easily file the detail off his shield and paint 'Can't Touch Dis!' on it instead.