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This is probably a very easy answer that I just cant find. I glanced over barrage, blast, and ordnance weapons in the BRB, I looked throughout the Necron Codex under particle whip and re-read monolith and it didn't have the answer, but on the Necron FAQ it states:

Q. Can the AP1 hit from the particle whip be
assigned to any member of a squad or does it
have to be assigned to the model under the
centre of the template?
A. Any model directly under the centre of the
large blast template of the particle whip takes an
AP1 hit. The rules for blast weapons state that the
defending player may remove casualties from the
unit as a whole, not necessarily those under the
template, and this rule still applies here, so the
player can assign the AP1 hit to any model in the
unit.

So , do ALL Blast/Barrage weapons (anything that uses the blast/large blast template) have AP1 in the centre? Or is that a particle whip only thing?

If so, where does it state that? I would assume the BRB however like I mentioned, I re-read those portions and nothing jumped out indicating that.

Thanks guys!

Its a Particle whip only thing, and the FAQ seriously neuters its usefulness..

Ah okay, where in the codex does it state its AP1? All I see on the chart is S9 AP3

Page 14, in the Particle Whip rules entry.

That one made me laugh... GW really knows how to drive the lawn mower, when it comes to the less-popular armies!

OTOH, rumors has it that new a Necron Codex (with a bunch of new units) is rising from slumber this year!

as they have been rumoring for the last 9 years or so..

Its a good thing that necrons don't have breath to hold...

insaniak wrote:Page 14, in the Particle Whip rules entry.

That would make sense for it to be under the Necron armory .... wow do I feel dumb hah. When I was looking in the Necron Codex I looked at the Monolith for any special rules.

Good news for me is I didn't know about the AP1, so its a benefit to me, though looking at how its worded and what the FAQ says... yeah it sucks :( Least it makes it an insanely good tank popper now that I'm more clear on the rules (not htat it wasnt before... just better now!)

Thanks for the clarification all!

I just need to confirm something aswell with the ordnance as this can has a nasty effect on the tank popping of the particle whip (& ordnance in general) and i wanna be sure about it.
As per page 60 BRB it has a section for 'Template and Blast weapons against vehicles' and mainly states if the hole of the blast marker isn't over a vehicle you half the strength of the weapon and round down so the S9 Particle Whip would be S4, also since no where does it state to treat the particle whip as a gauss weapon it wouldn't be able to harm anything higher than Armour 10, if the whole is on target however then the full force of the weapon is used plus 2D6 and pick the highest and should you glance or penetrate you then add +1 on the modifiers table for the AP1 and calculate any other modifiers in aswell.
Just need to make sure ive done this accurately.

Yep, that's correct. If you get the hole over a vehicles hull you get 2D6 + 9, then +1 on the damage chart.

Userarm, your post was a little hard to read but I think you've got it right. Hole not on vehicle = half strength. Hole over vehicle = full strength.

Userarm wrote:I just need to confirm something aswell with the ordnance as this can has a nasty effect on the tank popping of the particle whip (& ordnance in general) and i wanna be sure about it.
As per page 60 BRB it has a section for 'Template and Blast weapons against vehicles' and mainly states if the hole of the blast marker isn't over a vehicle you half the strength of the weapon and round down so the S9 Particle Whip would be S4, also since no where does it state to treat the particle whip as a gauss weapon it wouldn't be able to harm anything higher than Armour 10, if the whole is on target however then the full force of the weapon is used plus 2D6 and pick the highest and should you glance or penetrate you then add +1 on the modifiers table for the AP1 and calculate any other modifiers in aswell.
Just need to make sure ive done this accurately.

as long as you mean hole and not whole (of the template) yes you are correct.

nosferatu1001 wrote:Yep, that's correct. If you get the hole over a vehicles hull you get 2D6 + 9, then +1 on the damage chart.

You roll 2D6, but you then pick the highest result and add that one die's result to the weapon strength then add 1 for the AP1 weapon.

I was short handing there - usual 2D6 pick the highest for Ordnance

The AP1 only adds 1 to the damage result. It's a very effective tank killer, except it can no longer fire the turn it deep strikes, and with a 24" range gun, and a tank that can only move 6", you'll never get to fire it before you end up having to use the portal to save your army from phase out.