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Do you HAVE to have first turn?

Do you use Vect?

The Baron?

...or your own home-grown HQ's without 1st turn bonuses.

How do you protect your vehicles in the event you go second.


Explain yourselves!

Cover, turning some raiders sideways to cover others

Going first for DE is pretty critical IMO with mech. Setting up to go first then getting seized is devastating as well.

Games I play against DE when they have first turn, I usually get overwhelmed before I have a chance to respond, but if I go first its a turkey shoot. DE raiders are SO easy to kill. Overlapping raiders doesnt help because you just keep shooting the ones in front with no cover. Reserving doesn't help because then your army is coming in piecemeal.

If you don't get 1st turn and aren't deploying extremely defensively or reserve denying your force, if playing against an opponent with a solid shooting component, then chances are you may lose. If playing against something like Mech IG and you get seized on, it's almost assuredly game over as there's every possibility that you will lose every vehicle they can see and lots of infantry as well.

However, if you don't get first turn and are playing against a very CC oriented MEQ army, or something like Tyranids, you probably aren't all that boned, you may even be in a superior position in some cases with the last turn of the game going to you.

Turn order importance really depends on the type of opponent, the shootier they are, the more DE need that first turn. If it's something like mech IG, I'd say it's critical to victory. If they aren't really very shooty then 1st turn probably won't matter too much.

Vaktathi wrote:If you don't get 1st turn and aren't deploying extremely defensively or reserve denying your force, if playing against an opponent with a solid shooting component, then chances are you may lose. If playing against something like Mech IG and you get seized on, it's almost assuredly game over as there's every possibility that you will lose every vehicle they can see and lots of infantry as well.

However, if you don't get first turn and are playing against a very CC oriented MEQ army, or something like Tyranids, you probably aren't all that boned, you may even be in a superior position in some cases with the last turn of the game going to you.

Turn order importance really depends on the type of opponent, the shootier they are, the more DE need that first turn. If it's something like mech IG, I'd say it's critical to victory. If they aren't really very shooty then 1st turn probably won't matter too much.

+1 to this. almost word for word on how i'd put it from my games.