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Marneus Calgar of the ultramarines has the Eternal Warrior rule, allowing him to take a power fist to the jaw, a power klaw to the gut, and a Battle cannon point blank, and still fight on. While, at the same time, Pedro Kantor of the Crimson Fists does not. He will fall to a single Thunder hammer or Demolisher cannon.

But wait... last I checked, only one of them crawled out of the crater when their Fotress Monestary exploded. How is anyone going to tell me that Mr. Calgar is tougher then Pedro "You're going to need a bigger missle" Kantor?

Good point. Another thing to add to my list of "reasons why Matt Ward shouldn't write codices." He loves Ultramarines ever so much, so he's gonna give them the best carachters. Or something.

Seriously, why the hell didn't he give it to Dante? He's the oldest non-Dreadnought Space Marine alive. He certainly deserves it more than Grimmnar, Lysander or Calgar. He's so old, the latter submitted to his overall tactical command during one of their combined campaigns.

I think the rule Eternal Warrior is handed out far too easily recently. With the Phoenix Lords and Deamons ect it makes sense, but theres nothing about a Space Marine that warrants the same rule. They are still mortal.

There's only two Characters with EW in C:SM, and only one of them is an Ultra.

Kantor has better army-wide special rules, IMHO, so I think that makes up for him not being as beastly as Calgar.

Commander Endova wrote: He certainly deserves it more than Grimmnar, Lysander or Calgar.

Now, Lysander I'm ok with having EW. I mean, the dude fought back the warp for hundreds of years. Then, after he rips a hole in reality to escape, gets captured and tortured by the Iron Warriors for a time. Surviving that long in the warp, I can totally see him being something more then mortal.

Eternal warrior doesn't necessarily represent immortality. Immortality would be represented by having a sideways 8 under their W stat.

Eternal warrior is the ability to fight on regardless of grievious wounds, whether this comes from insane physical prowess or extreme conviction.

Tbh, I think more models should have access to some ability that prevents them from getting 1 shotted. But that's just me.

Lord PoPo wrote:Eternal warrior doesn't necessarily represent immortality. Immortality would be represented by having a sideways 8 under their W stat.

Eternal warrior is the ability to fight on regardless of grievious wounds, whether this comes from insane physical prowess or extreme conviction.

Tbh, I think more models should have access to some ability that prevents them from getting 1 shotted. But that's just me.

+1

Calgar has had all of his limbs replaced after having them torn off by nids. He's assaulted hiveships, fought Ork hordes, slew a daemon lord and punched a God. If you follow your own logic, there should be another 50 or so Space Marines with EW because some did survive the explosion. (enough 1s for wounds to skip over them ).

I haven't read 'Ryn's World' but all previous fluff regarding Kantor and the destruction of the fortress monastery place him miles away surveying the defences from a different position. Unless this has changed in 'Ryn's World' i don't think Kantor is worthy of the same status as Calgar, Lysander and Grimnar.

Lord PoPo wrote:Eternal warrior doesn't necessarily represent immortality. Immortality would be represented by having a sideways 8 under their W stat.

Eternal warrior is the ability to fight on regardless of grievious wounds, whether this comes from insane physical prowess or extreme conviction.

Tbh, I think more models should have access to some ability that prevents them from getting 1 shotted. But that's just me.

I disagree, for one I feel Eternal Warrior is often handed out far to easily these days. A "lesser" Eternal Warrior I might prefer, eg. instant death reducing to 1 wound...

However, I feel Eternal Warrior is used, not simply to show ability to fight past grievous wounds, but a models role within the 40K fiction and/or heroic status.
I admit, I haven't explained it very well, but this is why large characters such as Abbadon and Calgar have eternal warrior.

Abbadon and Calgar have been in the galaxy for centuries and are key characters within the 40K fiction; hence they are 'eternal' warriors.

Pedro for example is relatively minor and new within 40K in comparison, this is why he doesn't have eternal warrior.

It could be argued, that those with eternal warrior are almost 'destined' to fight for millennia. Calgar will always be a key part of 40K fiction it seems; Pedro, not so much. If at all.


@ OP, I think you're not realising that game =/= fiction. Within the background, all characters have (and rightly so) 'plot armour' to one degree or another, this cannot be applied so easily to a game and hence some particularly special characters receive eternal warrior.

I hate to break it to you but Kantor is the original named character for 40K. Back in RT, Captain Kantor (as he was known back then) and his crimson fists had their story told and they even had a scenario (I think it was the Battle at Rynn's Farm). He's been around longer than any other character.

None of the BA character have EW

Are you saying Mephiston, I have been dead ONCE, Now i am a Super Psyhic Vampire Marine, doesn't have an invul or EW? REALLY?

also Dante, Tycho is forgiven because he is dead and Sanguionor who somehow piledrived a blood thrister, still no EW

But space wolves can buy EW?
BUY EW? buying importance?

Buying awesome...

Buying plot armor

which could be handed to just about anyone

Other than Force Weapons and Wraithcannons Mephiston pretty much does have EW what with being t6 and all.

Lysander is dead, and has Eternal Warrior, so I propose Eldrad gets Eternal Warrior in the next Eldar book.

Abbadon and Calgar have been in the galaxy for centuries and are key characters within the 40K fiction; hence they are 'eternal' warriors.

Abbadon has it as a gift from the Chaos powers IIRC? Which Chaos god does Calgar follow?

Daba wrote:Lysander is dead, and has Eternal Warrior, so I propose Eldrad gets Eternal Warrior in the next Eldar book.

Abbadon and Calgar have been in the galaxy for centuries and are key characters within the 40K fiction; hence they are 'eternal' warriors.

Abbadon has it as a gift from the Chaos powers IIRC? Which Chaos god does Calgar follow?

Lysander is dead?

Calgar clearly follows the Chaos God Mary Sue, who is more powerful than any of the others due to their awesome over-emphasised might.

Calgar is existing proof, that Ultramarines are GW's perfeered trademark - their one hundred percent favorite little toy-soldiers!

His fluff does suit him having Eternal Warrior... he is half robot by now.

Heh, as I use kantor fairly often, I'd certainly trade Orbital Bombardment (which I rarely use) for EW...

actually the sanguinor has ew, but then again he's space jesus

Crantor wrote:I hate to break it to you but Kantor is the original named character for 40K. Back in RT, Captain Kantor (as he was known back then) and his crimson fists had their story told and they even had a scenario (I think it was the Battle at Rynn's Farm). He's been around longer than any other character.

Yep, they even had paper counters of him and two tactical squads in the back of the book so you could have a game without needing models. Was The old Calgar model not shown in RT, the one in the throne?

He wasn't in the main rulebook, but one of the WD articles for the mini release along with the other Ultra Marines army characters.

Wouldn't it be logical for Necrons to all get it but that would mean BA would no longer be the cheesiest army and that simply is unacceptable

You are thinking Space Wolves Yes?

I don't mind Necron Lord getting EW really

Yes only Space Jesus have EW in BA book

Calgar does have a some impressive custom wargear too, like the gauntlets taken from a chaos champion... Who can say it's not these that grant him his super powers?

hmm I would think that calgar would be hunted down by the inquisition for even thinking of touching something that has bean on the hands of a chaos marine.

Aside from this I think calgar has it simply because he is ment to be the toughest and most powerful dude ever created in the history of creation who will effortlessly own everyone no matter what...ect

But really whithout EW calgar would be even crappier than he is.

The current models that have EW are fine, are more do not need it.

Lysander is not dead. He was captured and escaped, and reinstated as 1st company captain as is now on a crusade against the iron warriors. Considering how hard this guy is, he deserves EW and his current rules.

Calgar is a walking tank that face-punches avatars amongst other slowed feats of strength, this guy is clearly deserving of his EW (and costs rightly so)

Pedro is a great leader and his rules portray him as a chapter master and a great force multiplier. Having a building fall on you does not instantly grant you EW - Grimaldus or Mephiston do not have it either. Lack of EW can be mitigated by avoiding Str8+ in combat and keeping him in a squad to protect from shooting.

The Sanguinor has EW

Mephiston doesnt need EW or an invul saves. Librarians universally don't have invul saves (unless in terminator armor), and if Meph had all his powers,T6, 5Ws, AND Eternal warrior AND an invul save, I would kill myself.

Humbaba wrote:hmm I would think that calgar would be hunted down by the inquisition for even thinking of touching something that has bean on the hands of a chaos marine.

Aside from this I think calgar has it simply because he is ment to be the toughest and most powerful dude ever created in the history of creation who will effortlessly own everyone no matter what...ect

But really whithout EW calgar would be even crappier than he is.

It's true, the gauntlets were nicked from a dead CSM chapion.
The only reason he isn't accused of heresy is probably because he is the chapter master of a first founding chapter.

pssha dont talk to me about the benefits of being a chapter master of a founding company

I dont even know the name of mine...

I mean really we know the name of scout sargents and tank commanders from the Ulta s
smufs, we even have models for em!

and yet a founding company's chapter master remains unnamed...


Sorry for Hi-Jacking the thread