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**Courtsloth**

Put this together last night for an 1850 non-comp event at the FLGS. Let me know what you think!

Warboss.....150
-Bike, PK, Cybork, A.Squig

Warboss.....150
-Bike, PK, Cybork, A.Squig

(5) Nobz.....350
-Bikes, Pain, Cybork, Waagh, BP, 2x PK

(5) Nobz.....350
-Bikes, Pain, Cybork, Waagh, BP, 2x PK

(10) Lootas.....150

(7) Kommandos.....185
-Snikrot, 2x burnas

(15) Grots.....55

(15) Grots.....55

(3) Deffkoptas.....135
-TL Rokkit launchas

(3) Deffkoptas.....135
-TL Rokkit launchas

(3) Deffkoptas.....135
-TL Rokkit launchas

**Doctor Optimal**

Those nobs are bikers, I take it?

**Courtsloth**

Doctor Optimal wrote:Those nobs are bikers, I take it?

Haha, yep - editing now.

**Doctor Optimal**

It's quite low on model count, but it's far from the worst possible 1850 list.

**stompydakka**

Lose some deffkoptas to give others buzzsaws.
Also, you cannot run 2 units of grots as your troops!

**Doctor Optimal**

stompydakka wrote:Lose some deffkoptas to give others buzzsaws.
Also, you cannot run 2 units of grots as your troops!

It's actually not a bad idea. Your enemy will be so focused on the Nob bikers, and so nervous about Snikrot that he might just ignore the Grots and let them run up the middle.

Still, you should have more and larger grot mobs if you really want to try that.

**Courtsloth**

The Nobz also double as troops.

**Mike Noble**

Grots are fine as Troops. Deffkoptas are not optimal for this kind of list IMO, Warbuggies are better.

Kommandoes probably aren't necessary, I'd take more lootas instead but that's just me.

Interesting list though, I'll think of something similar and see what it can do.

I think this fits the points well, not completely sure, its off the top of my head.

Warboss-Bike,PK,Kombi Skorcha
Warboss-Bike,PK,Kombi Skorcha

5 Lootas
5 Lootas
5 Lootas

8 Nob Bikers-3 PK,3BC,waaagh banner,bosspole,painboy
8 Nob Bikers-3 PK,3BC,waaagh banner,bosspole,painboy
19 Grots-Runtherd
19 Grots-Runtherd

3 Warbuggies-Rokkits
3 Warbuggies-Rokkits
3 Warbuggies-Rokkits

I'm not sure if you have enough points for Cybork Bodies or not, but if so take them. You probably don't need them that much though, with 4+ cover and all.

Actually I think mine is more around 2000, but oh well, its still pretty good. I still like to take regular bikers and more support.

This gives me an idea, I'll post my own version later.

**Courtsloth**

Idle curiosity - why the recommendation of buggies over coptas?

**rodgers37**

Mike Noble wrote:Grots are fine as Troops. Deffkoptas are not optimal for this kind of list IMO, Warbuggies are better.

Kommandoes probably aren't necessary, I'd take more lootas instead but that's just me.

Interesting list though, I'll think of something similar and see what it can do.

I think this fits the points well, not completely sure, its off the top of my head.

Warboss-Bike,PK,Kombi Skorcha
Warboss-Bike,PK,Kombi Skorcha

5 Lootas
5 Lootas
5 Lootas

8 Nob Bikers-3 PK,3BC,waaagh banner,bosspole,painboy
8 Nob Bikers-3 PK,3BC,waaagh banner,bosspole,painboy
19 Grots-Runtherd
19 Grots-Runtherd

3 Warbuggies-Rokkits
3 Warbuggies-Rokkits
3 Warbuggies-Rokkits

I'm not sure if you have enough points for Cybork Bodies or not, but if so take them. You probably don't need them that much though, with 4+ cover and all.

Actually I think mine is more around 2000, but oh well, its still pretty good. I still like to take regular bikers and more support.

This gives me an idea, I'll post my own version later.

That is an uber list

Although i think Cybork Bodies are a must, Nob Bikers want to be in combat, and against some of the other 'elite' combat units, they will be going first/same time...

**Mike Noble**

The reason reason why I like Warbuggies over Koptas, is that they re cheaper, and all they lose is the ability to do and alpha strike, and infiltrate. Really, Buggies are probably best in this kind of list, where you already have great mobility.

Mostly they are just my preference though. YMMV

**bigmeklover**

this is one of those list that will either be awsome or catastrophic for the player. sounds like lots of ork fun.

... although I would drop the deffkoptas count to just two total (one per FA slot), and grab some regular biker boyz (purely for numbers).

kit out the remaining two koptas with tl-rokkits and buzz saws.

also split the lootas to two squads of five.

one question are the grots there for holding your own ground if so I would drop thier number count to the min to save points for bikers.

**Courtsloth**

Thank you everyone for all the thoughts.

@Mike Noble: I figured cost was the big thing. It's a close call imo - 10pts stacks up, but I like the ability to turbo for the 3++ (and I actually have deffcoptas =P heh).

@Bigmeklover: I've played, tweaked, and re-played a version of this list for a couple of years now. It does have certain match-ups that are particularly good and others that are much harder for it (the growing prevalence of mass S8 is rough sometimes) and the lower model count can add an extra edge on a situation that turns rocky, but I do feel that the speed, hitting power, and flexibility of the list keeps it in the game even on those tough match-ups.

Now I'll have to poke some points around, see what shakes loose if I trim the grots back and/or move to 2 man deffcopta squads.

**mercer**

Drop the Kommandos and get more Lootas. Drop some Kopters to get buzzsaws, rest is pretty cool.

**olympia**

I'd certainly agree with Mike Noble about the buggies. They would be quite good as a screen for the bikers.

**Mike Noble**

olympia wrote:I'd certainly agree with Mike Noble about the buggies. They would be quite good as a screen for the bikers.

I think you mean the other way around, bikes already have a 4+ cover save.

**pzbw7z**

The advantage buggies have over koptas is leadership. Buggies never run away.

Single buzzkoptas are the only way koptas reliably pay off. Those guys are money, as long as you're not playing against an all-skimmer army

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**Courtsloth**

pzbw7z wrote:The advantage buggies have over koptas is leadership. Buggies never run away.

Single buzzkoptas are the only way koptas reliably pay off. Those guys are money, as long as you're not playing against an all-skimmer army .

That is another good thought, though for the moment I am limited by model availability - mby converting up some buggies should get added to the project list.

I did poke some number around and was thinking about something like this....

Warboss.....155
-Bike, PK, Cybork, A.Squig, C.Skorcha

Warboss.....155
-Bike, PK, Cybork, A.Squig, C.Skorcha

(5) Nobz.....350
-Bikes, Pain, Cybork, Waagh, BP, 2x PK

(5) Nobz.....350
-Bikes, Pain, Cybork, Waagh, BP, 2x PK

(7) Lootas.....105

(7) Lootas.....105

(7) Lootas.....105

(10) Grots.....40

(10) Grots.....40

(10) Grots.....40

(3) Deffkoptas.....135
-TL Rokkit launchas

(3) Deffkoptas.....135
-TL Rokkit launchas

(3) Deffkoptas.....135
-TL Rokkit launchas

**theduncan**

Drop some grots and all but 3 koptas for ork boyz in trukks with rams, give the remaining koptas saws.

**Mike Noble**

If you ever get enough Warbuggies to use them instead of Koptas, drop some Lootas and maybe some Grots for some Kannons. They are a seriously underrated unit that can help you alot if you need good enough shooting, other than that the list is looking good.

**olympia**

Mike Noble wrote:
olympia wrote:I'd certainly agree with Mike Noble about the buggies. They would be quite good as a screen for the bikers.

I think you mean the other way around, bikes already have a 4+ cover save.

Not quite. The buggies are a screen to prevent the nob bikers from being assault by a furiouso with blood talons, or a seer council, or huge squad of termies, or whatever.