Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Exactly what it says above. I run green tide, would it be worth it to swap out a vanilla boss and some boyz for Ghazzy?

In a battlewagon list he is a killing machine and a very solid choice.

Not sure about on foot as slow and purposeful may be a problem.

Lower point games... NO
Higher point games (1750+) he kicks but nicely! But hes gotta have some sort of transport to utilize him fully!

Ghazghkull on his own is a wrecking ball, little alone the 18" inch killzone during his Waaagh, regrouping whipped boyz, fearless boyz and last but definitely not least. The 2+ invulnerablity save. Ghazghkull and an entourage of Nobz or MANz riding in a battlewagon WILL remove any squad/hq/wtf unit your opponent has.

I've taken him in all point range games and he rarely asks for consent.

Ghazghkull doesnt regroup boyz who are falling back.

Take him in a wagon OR, bring him into the enemy backline with Snikrott.

At any game above 1500 points, I always take Ghazghkull. He is such an incredible force multiplier (auto 6" Waaagh!, Fearless), plus he has the killing power to beat, or at least win combat against, any unit in the game.

Simply as a cost-measurement tool, we can compare him to a similarly armed warboss.

Warboss
Mega Armor
Attack Squig
Bosspole
Cybork Body

Which altogether comes out to 130. Therefore, Ghazghkull is 95 points more expensive. For that 95 points you get:

- Weapon skill 6
- An extra wound
- 7, instead of 6, attacks on the charge
- Eternal Warrior
- 2+ invul when Waaagh!-ing, and the turn after
- Auto 6" Fleet Waaagh!
- The ability to call the Waaagh! at any time.

The first 5 items are all buffs to Ghazghkull himself, and arguably more than make up for the points cost. The final 2 seal the deal. When you absolutely, 100% need to make that Boy unit holding the objective Fearless, you can do so. When Ghazghkull needs to make 10 invul saves to finish wiping out the enemy's Deathstar, you can do so. When you're 17" away from the target you absolutely need your Nobz to charge, you can do so with complete certainty.

Ghazghkull just makes your entire army better, plus he holds with Orkish golden rule #1: present your enemy with numerous, lethal close combat threats.

And as a side note, making Ghazhkull WS 7 when with a unit of Nobz with a Banner is awesome. Guardsmen hit you on 5's!!!

Edit:

Taoofss wrote:Take him in a wagon OR, bring him into the enemy backline with Snikrott.

WARNING: Using Ghazghkull in this manner will get you labeled as TFG.

I run a Horde Army with five or six maxed out squads of Shootas/Sluggas and I run Ghazghkull in all my games (usually 1750/1850/2000+) with a compliment of multi-geared Nobz and a Waagh Banner w/ a pain boy. His TWO turn Waagh for everyone and the fact that he's got an 2+ invul save when you ram him up whatever scares you the most on your opponent's side is well worth his points.

Battlewagon is his favorite type of Taxi to get him into the killing double time!

shealyr wrote:

WARNING: Using Ghazghkull in this manner will get you labeled as TFG.

It's been FAQed. It's completely legal. I guess playing by the rules makes you TFG nowadays.

Taoofss wrote:It's been FAQed. It's completely legal. I guess playing by the rules makes you TFG nowadays.

Not explicitly.

It's been FAQ'd that an IC joins a unit before deployment. It has not been FAQ'd that Snikrot's Ambush special rule extends to included IC's.

shealyr wrote:

Taoofss wrote:It's been FAQed. It's completely legal. I guess playing by the rules makes you TFG nowadays.

Not explicitly.

It's been FAQ'd that an IC joins a unit before deployment. It has not been FAQ'd that Snikrot's Ambush special rule extends to included IC's.

You're wrong again.

"ORK.62C.01 – Q: Can an Independent Character (such as a Warboss on a bike) join Snikrot‟s unit before the game and arrive with them via „Ambush‟?
A: Yes, as Snikrot‟s ability applies to the unit (which a joined IC is part of) [clarification]."

Taoofss wrote:You're wrong again.

"ORK.62C.01 – Q: Can an Independent Character (such as a Warboss on a bike) join Snikrot‟s unit before the game and arrive with them via „Ambush‟?
A: Yes, as Snikrot‟s ability applies to the unit (which a joined IC is part of) [clarification]."

I was referring to the GW FAQ

The INAT FAQ, hard to believe as this may sound, isn't considered holy writ by everyone...

Yes, yes and more Yes.....

Seen a few comments saying over 1500 points, but my friend runs him in a battlewagon with some Nobs, and 4 squads of 30 boyz running behind, and he does really well with it (espeically if he gets first turn, so the Battlewagon can get forwards...), the squad Ghaz is in, is extremely hard to kill, surprisingly hard considering there not on bikes. And Ghaz is a big part of that.

Short answer: Yes.

Long answer: Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees

Ghazzy is amazing in pretty much any Ork army. He smashes things with contemptuous ease.

L. Wrex

shealyr wrote:

Taoofss wrote:You're wrong again.

"ORK.62C.01 – Q: Can an Independent Character (such as a Warboss on a bike) join Snikrot‟s unit before the game and arrive with them via „Ambush‟?
A: Yes, as Snikrot‟s ability applies to the unit (which a joined IC is part of) [clarification]."

I was referring to the GW FAQ

The INAT FAQ, hard to believe as this may sound, isn't considered holy writ by everyone...

The explaination given by the INAT FAQ is sound.

Is Ghazy an IC? Yes
When an IC joins a unit, does he become a part of that unit? Yes
Does Snikrot's ability apply to the unit he is with? Yes
Do all ICs gain an ability that is given to the unit they join? Yes

So even if you don't use the INAT FAQ, what is your argument? What is ambiguous about these rules?

Only thing to watch out for is he is not fearless by default, only during his waaagh. So if he's not hanging out with 10+ boyz (eg nobz) he can lose a combat and get swept, his LD is quite low. It happened to me and I was gutted (was my first game with orks!)

Only take him with a decent retinue so he can be in a separate unit to your boyz attack vehicles without wasting the boys attacks. You need a battlewagon to put him in because on foot or in a trukk he won't make it to their lines without being severely injured. Personally I think he's a waste of points, anyone with a power weapon armed troops can bring him down without him making back half his points.
(\ __ /)
( ='-'=) This is fat Bunny. Copy and paste him
("")_("") to help him stop bunny from world domination.

I see Ghaz used pretty regularly mainly for the guaranteed 6" waagh.

Even if he doesn't make it into combat himself, that means everybody in the army assaulting out of open-topped transports (mainly battlewagons in my experience) gets 13" move + about 3" disembark +6" run +6" assault = about 28" assault range in the turn you waagh.

Skarshak wrote:Lower point games... NO
Higher point games (1500+) he kicks but nicely! But hes gotta have some sort of transport to utilize him fully!

Fixed that for ya. I run him at 15 and he's a beast.

DakkaDakka wrote:

While generally I consider the INAT to be a pile of garbage, I don't see anything wrong with using the ambush rule with ghaz.

Can anybody give a rules reason why he can't?

That being said, he is one of the only 200+ point beat stick characters I think is actually worth the points. Not only does he have an army buff, he can kill anything in the game (though some units are harder than others).

He's pound for pound the best special character in the game.

In my second game with Ghaz, he helped take out a TH/SS termie unit, an Assault squad, and finally a Land Raider all by himself.

So my answer is, "F&$# YES HE'S WORTH HIS POINTS!"

(ofcourse mileage may very)

Griever wrote:He's pound for pound the best special character in the game.

Agreed. Like Ive said before, you can honestly list on 1 hand, the things in this game Ghaz cannot topple. And even still, that comes to dice roll.

Ghaz is just awesome. Id shy away from him in lower games (Ive SEEN people take him in as little as 1k but thats a quarter of your army in just him, pretty iffy) Ive read reports of people sticking him in a 500 once (that was just slowed) but hey whatever. Id say fell him out and see where your comfort zone is. Simply because I rarely use him, as a normal Megaboss is plenty in most cases.

He's great, I wouldn't use him with Snikrot though, he's better off in a battlewagon with some nobz or boyz IMO. I'm not an ork player but I have played against him many times. We are playing through the Piscina IV campaign, and in the first scenario, the orks have 500 points plus Ghazghul. Nasty! I think he's worth every point, especially for the 6" Waaagh. The fact that he brings a can of whoopass to the field is icing on the cake!