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Regarding The Changeling's Glamour of Tzeentch ability:

Say a Chaos Marine player elects to shoot his Obliterator's plasma cannons at a tightly packed group of daemons, is subject to the Glamour ability, and flubs the leadership test spectacularly ( ! ). The Changeling can see another group of friendly Obliterators a scant few inches away from the first group, and chooses these as the new target. What weapon(s) are/may be fired at the unfortunate victims?

The relevant portion of the Glamour of Tzeentch reads "...the unit must immediately fire all of its weapons (no holding back!) against a friendly unit, chosen by the Changeling among any of the enemies he can see" (emphasis mine).

Obliterators are armed with lascannons, twin-linked meltaguns, multi-meltas, twin-linked plasma guns, plasma cannons, and twin-linked flamers, and may normally fire any one of these in a given turn. If the Obliterators are obliged to "fire all of their weapons", do they fire each and every one of the aforementioned guns at the newly designated target? If not, does the Daemon player get to decide which of the weapons will be used, or is he restricted to shooting the plasma cannons the Chaos Marine player originally intended to employ?

Point of fact, Obliterators DO NOT have all of those weapons simultaneously. Look at pages 35 and 100 of the codex, they have one weapon per turn from that list.

Do you know what's an even more fun question? Take a vehicle with one or more ordnance weapons, have that vehicle succumb to the glamour and then ask which weapons get fired.

The short version is that if the unit doesn't fire what it can't fire (because of ordnance rules or normal weapon limits), it isn't holding back. But no clarification has ever been issued explaining who chooses which weapons the unit fires.

Changeling player gets to choose which weapon, subject to the normal restrictions of the unit. So the Oblits would all have to fire the same weapon, and can only fire once per model per turn.

It's not spectacularly clear, but I usually ask my opponents to clarify what weapons they intend to fire before I declare my intention to use the Changeling's ability. At this point the opponent may choose another target (and choose to fire a different weapon or set of weapons).

Some people are fine with the wording that asks them to fire _all_ of their weapons in the case of failing the Ld test, regardless of normal restrictions, but so long as the opponent isn't switching from Plasmaguns to Bolt Pistols in order to minimise personal damage (as SM/CSM) I'm happy with breaking as few rules as possible by simply having them fire a single weapon.

armbarred wrote:Changeling player gets to choose which weapon, subject to the normal restrictions of the unit. So the Oblits would all have to fire the same weapon, and can only fire once per model per turn.

There are no rules in the Changelings entry that specifies that the Changeling player chooses the weapons fire. None.

Which is the problem....

It isn't totally clear, I usually have the opponent fire whatever weapon they meant to fire at my unit at the target I nominate. That seems the most consistent with the spirit of the rule.

Yeah thats about right I reckon. Without clarification its the best we can decide. I know fluff is not rules, but picture this:

The obliterators decide to fire plasma cannons, then things get hazy. They decide to fire anyway, and low and behold, they've nuked their own squad. Thats how it would play out, as its not like they would change weapons because of "haze", which is what the glamour would represent.

The rulebook is very clear. When a unit with multiple weapons that cannot be fired simultaneously falls under Glamour, you do the following:

First, the Changling player argues his side of the argument. Then, the unit's player disagrees and says his side of the argument. This is followed by a heated debate, accusations of being TFG, and threats to pack up your models and go home. Finally, after both sides have exhausted their rage, they both agree to "blame GW and pray for a FAQ update" and then roll-off.

Grakmar wrote:The rulebook is very clear. When a unit with multiple weapons that cannot be fired simultaneously falls under Glamour, you do the following:

First, the Changling player argues his side of the argument. Then, the unit's player disagrees and says his side of the argument. This is followed by a heated debate, accusations of being TFG, and threats to pack up your models and go home. Finally, after both sides have exhausted their rage, they both agree to "blame GW and pray for a FAQ update" and then roll-off.

This is the Dakka quote of the day right here folks!