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Anything you can add will help. I have a league starting next week and I'm sticking with the Kan Wall. Wondering if I should have 2 KFF's. Let me know what you all think.

Ork Kan Wall List 1250 pts

HQ- 85 pts.

Big Mek – KFF
85 pts.

Elites -150 pts.

5 Lootas – Deffguns
75 pts.

5 Lootas – Deffguns
75 pts.

Troops – 440 pts.

30 Shoota Boys – Nob with Power Klaw and Boss Pole
220 pts.

30 Shoota Boys – Nob with Power Klaw and Boss Pole
220 pts.

Fast Attack – 70 pts.

1 Deffkopta – Twin-linked Rokkits and Buzzsaw
70 pts.

Heavy Support – 435 pts.

3 Killa Kans – Rokkits
150 pts.

3 Killa Kans – Rokkits
150 pts.

3 Killa Kans – Grotzookas
135 pts.

Total Pts. = 1250 pts.

The list looks pretty solid. But the thing that bothers me, is why people run kan lists with shoota mobs
I run an 800 pts kan list with three mobs of 20 slugga boyz, because I hate shooty orks.

The list still looks like it can handle things.

Looks like a very solid, but generic, list. You'll probably do fine with it.

Generic, totally. I am looking for effectiveness. It looks amazing on the table, Kans are IMO one of the best things GW has to offer. The Vendetta/Valkyrie is probably the next coolest. IMO!

Personally, I would drop the buzzcopter and give all your kans rokkits and add a squad of gretchin for objective holding.

You really can't afford to keep one of your shoota mobz back for seize and control missions. Also an additional troop choice grants you the ability to hold onto more objectives in objective games.

I love buzzcopters however, in lower point games, I feel their point cost are a just a bit high for what they do.

I was thinking about the buzzcoptas to change for grots. I really like the grotzooka and it comes in handy vs hoards. What if I were to lower each boys unit to 25 or so and then take a unit of grots for holding?

Yea you could give that a try. a 25 boy mob would still be pretty effective. Id say give that a shot, and if you dont like it/the kopta doesnt perform, then dump the kopta and try that

Scrazza, I like shoota boys because believe it or not they actually kill a quite a bit in a kan wall. Move shoot, move shoot, move shoot assault. Sure their bs is only 2 but you have 60 boys shooting 2 shots each that's 120 shots. you are bound to get dozens of 5's and 6's in that mix. a 10 man tactical squad wont last long nor would 12 gaunts or 10 eldar.

Kan Walls are extremely effective and you have a really solid list. Couple things I would consider however.

I don't think you have enough boyz on the table. Anytime im running a Kan wall, 90 Boyz seems to be much more effective. I personally would drop the Tiny Loota squads that are going to run off the board in place for another 30 Boyz. I would also keep rockets on all of the Kans. Grot zookas are awesome as hell, but seeing as you would be running 90 boyz, you have enough anti infantry.

The Buzz Kopta should stay only because it does pose a real threat on turn 1 and if you alpha strike it, you can prob take out that tank thats going to blow the hell out of your Kans.

As for the Mech, you only need 1. Running 2 is nice when you throw Deff Dreads into the mix.

Hope this helps a little man.

@Bad sheep, i disagree, the lootas should be kept and he has enough boyz, if not too many, in his list.

I would reccomend a deffdread in there somewhere, for that extra killiness and i would also arm all your kans with grotzookas. I also think you're a bit low on AT, perhaps a boomgun would solve this problem?

Here's a 1250 list I just whipped up:

HQ 1: 95 Points
Big Mek, Cybork, KFF

Troops 1, 2, 3: 235 Points each
30 Boyz, 3 Big Shootas
Nob, Klaw, Pole

Heavy 1, 2, 3: 150 Points each
3 Kans with Rocket Launcher

Light on long-range AT (because all ork lists are light on long-range AT) but enough dakka not to need the grotzookas.

Eldar Own wrote:@Bad sheep, i disagree, the lootas should be kept and he has enough boyz, if not too many, in his list.

I would reccomend a deffdread in there somewhere, for that extra killiness and i would also arm all your kans with grotzookas. I also think you're a bit low on AT, perhaps a boomgun would solve this problem?

Low on AT? I have 6 rokkit kans, 2 Pk's, and 10 lootas. Are you sure, that's seems like a good enough portion at a 1250pts level. A boom gun would stand alone and be the first thing shot at.

You are right about the deffcopta, I think it will make a big difference that first tun if I can knock out a valuable tank. Thanks for the tips. may try doing the 90 boys I just don't have that many. Lootas are awesome and they are tried tested and true.