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I was going through the Ork Special Rules, and had some questions on how they would be played out:

Waaagh!
I've already read this thread on the movement issue: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/30/272016.page, but my question is whether the unit that gets a wound from rolling a 1 would be able to take an armour or invul save? Yes or no?

Mob Rule
If at the end of an assault I have 9 Orks remaining and have to take a morale check for falling back, can I use the Ld9 I would get from this special rule? If I have 11 Orks remaining can I also replace the Ld value and automatically pass the morale check by getting fearless?

Hit and Run
My Deffkoptas have these, and my question is, if I fail the Hit and Run roll, do I then go through the normal fall back morale checks as usual? Also, I'm assuming this is done before checking for assault winners. Is that correct?

Waaagh! - Not sure.

Mob Rule - Yes.

Hit and Run - Pretty sure you do this after assault is completed.

sailense wrote:I was going through the Ork Special Rules, and had some questions on how they would be played out:

Waaagh!
I've already read this thread on the movement issue: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/30/272016.page, but my question is whether the unit that gets a wound from rolling a 1 would be able to take an armour or invul save? Yes or no?

Mob Rule
If at the end of an assault I have 9 Orks remaining and have to take a morale check for falling back, can I use the Ld9 I would get from this special rule? If I have 11 Orks remaining can I also replace the Ld value and automatically pass the morale check by getting fearless?

Hit and Run
My Deffkoptas have these, and my question is, if I fail the Hit and Run roll, do I then go through the normal fall back morale checks as usual? Also, I'm assuming this is done before checking for assault winners. Is that correct?

Waaagh, yes it appears any save could be taken for this.

Mob Rule!, that's more or less the text yep that how it works

H&R, Re-read page 75, you just missed a bit

Mob Rule - the Fearless for numbering 11+ is not optional.

Waaagh- It just says a wound, and there's no text saying anything like "no armour saves allowed" or "no saves of any kind allowed", right? If so, yes, normal armor saves apply.

Mob Rule- Right. 9 Orks = Ld 9. 10+ Orks = Fearless. It's not optional, either.

Hit & Run- pg75. It happens at the end of the assault phase; so the Deffcopta (or the enemy unit) has to go through Morale as normal before you get the chance to H&R.

It happens at the end of the assault phase; so the Deffcopta (or the enemy unit) has to go through Morale as normal before you get the chance to H&R

So they have to pass their morale test otherwise falling back would negate being able to hit and run?

If, after fighting in combat and any units involved have taken any appropriate Morale tests, a unit with the Hit & Run special rule is still engaged in combat at the end of the assault phase, it can attempt to use Hit & Run.

Thanks for all the replies. Helped out a lot.

Spetulhu wrote:Mob Rule - the Fearless for numbering 11+ is not optional.

Page 31, I see "may always" not "must always". It sounds optional.

"If an Ork mob numbers 11 or more models, it has the Fearless special rule."

There is no option to use or not use Fearless - you are.

The sentence before that is "Because of this, Ork mobs may always choose to substitute the number of Orks in their mob for their Leadership value"

The second sentence is dependent on the first, which gives an option.

No... if you have 11 orks you are fearless - that has nothing to do with substituting for Leadership.

That's true, but they still might not have an Ld of 11, because it's an option.

Doctor Optimal wrote:That's true, but they still might not have an Ld of 11, because it's an option.

Well, no, they won't have a Ld of 11, because that's against the rules which cap stats at 10.

You're right. A mob of 11 orks could have an Ld of 10+ and fearless, or they could have an Ld of 7 and fearless.

Player's choice.

Agreed!

Aye, if the 11+ Orks had to use their LD for something other than Morale or Pinning they could use the basic LD. Fearless units can't roll for Morale or Pinning - they always succeed those tests and never fall back.

Spetulhu wrote:Aye, if the 11+ Orks had to use their LD for something other than Morale or Pinning they could use the basic LD. Fearless units can't roll for Morale or Pinning - they always succeed those tests and never fall back.

Granted, it's hard for me to think of a reason you would want to use the lower number (in a situation that Fearless doesn't apply to), but it could be done.

Maybe a hypothetical new model that has a special "assassination" weapon that has a strength equal to the target's leadership value, or something?

btw, rolling a 1 on a waaagh! roll is specifically addressed by the ork errata/faq on the GW site and confirms that you do indeed get saves as normal.

Doctor Optimal wrote:Granted, it's hard for me to think of a reason you would want to use the lower number

I proposed using this as a poor man's Combat Tactics. Your Ork mob gets shot at before being assault losing 25% forcing a morale check. You use the 7 leadership in the hopes of failing so you fallback. Then on your turn you can use the fearless rule to auto regroup. Not the greatest tactic but could be optimal in certain situations. Also not sure if it's legal

A bit dodgy, to my mind, but probably technically legal *shrug*

No... if you're Fearless you can't choose to not be.

As noted Fearless causes you to auto-pass your Morale tests regardless of what your LD actually is.

Mmm, the only combat trick orks can pull is with a trukkboyz sized squad and losing a multiple combat, so they won't be swept with I2, managing to do that during your opponents turn running on a LD7 check, regrouping with LD10 and assaulting.... easy