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Hello. I am trying my hand at dark eldar. I have constructed 2 lists, witch one do you prefure and how would you improve it?

List 2.

1 Baron Satonyx 105
1 Haemonculus, 1 Webway portal, 1 Venom Blade, 1 Liquefier Gun 100
1 Haemonculus, 1 Liquefier Gun, 1 Venom Blade 65

3 Kabalite Trueborn, 3 Blasters 81
3 Kabalite Trueborn, 3 Blasters 81

4 Grotesuqe, 1 Abberation, 1 Luqiefier Gun, 1 Scissorhand 210
9 Hellions, 1 Helliarch, 1 Agoniser 185
9 Warriors, 1 Blaster 96
1 Raider, 1 Flickerfield 70 (for warriors)
5 Wracks, 1 Liquefier Gun 60
5 Hellions 80

2 Beast Masters, 5 Khymerae, 1 Clawed Beast 124
5 Scourges, 2 Blasters 140

1 Ravager, 3 Dark Lances, 1 Flickerfield, 115
1 Ravager, 3 Dark Lances, 1 Flickerfield, 115
1 Ravager, 3 Dark Lances, 1 Flickerfield, 115

1750 points

List 1: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/343953.page#2398685

A little better then the first but still not up to par.

1) those trueborn are a sucide unit with no vehicle to make them suicideish. better hope its dawn of war.

2) 5 Hellions again

3) 5 wracks no vehicle...wont last long

4) your warrior load out is meh. if you are gonna go blaster. 5 man blast venom is a better option for cheaper

5) Not sold on your beastmaster setup but Ill admit to not using them much

6) scourge should not have blasters since they are the only units to get Haywire/HL both of which are cheaper

I think perhaps you are reading it a bit wrong, but I'll agree it is not very good. Yet.

In a standar game all the raider (with the non wwp haemonculy) and the ravagers are in reserve. I deploy haemonculy with wwp and baron satonyx with the grotesque in cover.

Turn one I walk forward and open of the portal. Turn 2 things start coming in from reserve, probably killing things.

All jump infatery are in deep strike and can eather land where I want them to or they will jump out of the WWP. The trueborn will come out and take apart a transport/tanks of some sort. Same with scourges. Top target prioraty are dreadnoughts. The 5 person wrack and helions are moastly for scoring purposes, although helions should be abel to take out small targets (jump out of portal 12" shoot 10 shots and charge 6")

When the big squad of helions come in the baron will jump from the grotesque into that group taking with him a pain token, giving them feel no pain, stealth and assault grenades. With the hit and run rule they are very very hard to deal with. worst case senario is they charge a transport or some other tanks.

In a dawn of war deployment the wwp hameoncaly will start with the warrior raider (preferably hidden) and try to get the wwp open at the center of the board.

The big warriors squads are there because after the dark light have taken out the transports you need to actualy kill the people inside. And when they get a pain token they become so mutch better. By that time you would rather have 4 alive then 1.

I also think scrouges should have blasters instead of haywire rifle. The rifle stuns wheicols but it does not kill them. Blasters are also good vs terminators etc where the shard carbines also rock.

Id really like to play this list against my 1750 DE Just to see how durable it really is. I have my doubts. I also dont think its the solution to mech gaurd either. the baby hellions and baby wracks should be fluffed up just a bit if you have spare points somewhere.