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Simple question, witch race is stronger? have better strategies? what are main advantages of each race? (we will not include technology in this) and in the end if these two races stand as only in the galaxy - witch one will be victorious?

I myself always thought that Tyranids would always win because of their speed and numbers. But some people are talking about Necons who completely destroy entire Tyranid planetary invasion force and starve hive fleet to death. Some even say that hive fleets actually avoid Necron tomb worlds. Does this means that Tyranids are afraid of Necrons?

Tyranids are completely and utterly alien to humans. I couldn't begin to comprehend why they might or might not do something. But, if i had to guess i would say Tyranids actively avoid Necron tomb worlds. If they were pressed to fight them the Tyranids would probably be victorious though they would be weakened afterwards and easy picking for anyone. In a 1-1 war the Necrons would most likely win.
Tyranids aren't afraid of Necrons, they just are stupid. It's likely they can register the 'anti-warp' signature of the Necrodermis in some way and avoid it because the hive mind realises it can't be a positive thing.

I'd say Necrons as they do not require an outside resource to continue functioning, which more-or-less is an auto win against just about anything. The Nids are required to consume various types of bio-matter which at the start puts them at a disadvantage. Going further in however, Necrons actively deprive Nids of anyway to replenish themselves in even the most base recycling form that the Nids use, which is consuming their plus the enemies, dead. Necron Guass weaponry completely strips down the target to nothing, giving nothing for the Nids to reuse, and Necrons simply Phase Out when they're on the losing side again giving nothing for the Nids to eat. Continued fighting like this leads to a Nids loss even when they win.

If Tyranids only fought Necrons, they would lose since they aren't gaining any resources from victories. Necrons win in endurance because, as said above, they are self sustaining.

Speed is a little realtive isn't it? Speaking purely about infantry yes the tyranids are "faster" for the most part but not all necrons are slow (IE. Wraiths, scarabs, and destroyers.) When speaking of space travel IIRC the hive fleets have the slowest form of transportation along with the tau because they just do small warp jumps, and while Necrons don't use the warp their tech does give them some of the best space travel in 40k. And at the end of the day, if every single warrior, lord, gaunt, fex, wraith, and monolith went down then the hive fleet loses out on all its delicious biomass and the Necrons have some fixing to do and they're back up to full power. As for why you want to disclude technology doesn't make any sense to me since it's a huge factor here, and in all theoretical battle situations.

purplefood wrote:Tyranids are completely and utterly alien to humans. I couldn't begin to comprehend why they might or might not do something. But, if i had to guess i would say Tyranids actively avoid Necron tomb worlds. If they were pressed to fight them the Tyranids would probably be victorious though they would be weakened afterwards and easy picking for anyone. In a 1-1 war the Necrons would most likely win.
Tyranids aren't afraid of Necrons, they just are stupid. It's likely they can register the 'anti-warp' signature of the Necrodermis in some way and avoid it because the hive mind realises it can't be a positive thing.

Tyranids don't bother with Necrons because there is absolutely no biomass on Tomb Worlds. None, notta. They aren't afraid of the Crons, there is just no point to go after them.

To answer your question OP: Personally, I like them both.

Id say necrons would win, but theres this nagging feeling that Necrons need the energies of a sun to continue functioning, as seen by Necron ships stripping stars of thier energy.

Basically Necrons would win...
The biggest problem they face is that a lot of their tomb worlds are badly damaged meaning some of their functions are a teensy bit off...
The ones that aren't damaged and still dormant could be taken out if the attacker knew what they were doing and moved quickly... The Tyranids may know what to go for...
The active tomb worlds... well they are big and scary and kick a lot of ass.

cross_revert wrote:Speed is a little realtive isn't it? Speaking purely about infantry yes the tyranids are "faster" for the most part but not all necrons are slow (IE. Wraiths, scarabs, and destroyers.) When speaking of space travel IIRC the hive fleets have the slowest form of transportation along with the tau because they just do small warp jumps, and while Necrons don't use the warp their tech does give them some of the best space travel in 40k. And at the end of the day, if every single warrior, lord, gaunt, fex, wraith, and monolith went down then the hive fleet loses out on all its delicious biomass and the Necrons have some fixing to do and they're back up to full power. As for why you want to disclude technology doesn't make any sense to me since it's a huge factor here, and in all theoretical battle situations.

Honestly, I'll argue this, but I will start out by saying any Tombworld using this tactic would use a sun-ton of energy. In Dead Men Walking, it was shone that Necrons can be individually or in groups teleported to specific areas on a planet by the same Phasing technologies that allow them to voip out of where ever they are when they start to lose a battle. In such a manner, it might be possible to teleport large groups of warriors behind Tyranid lines, assassinate Synapse creatures and then Phase everything back before adequate response by Tyranid forces could be made.

I do admit the scenario I put was a tad on the extreme and there's almost no way that things would result in such an outcome. It was mostly just trying to explain the situation in the simplest way I could imagine.

What the Necrons, so far, seem to have against them is lack of numbers. They lare unliving so many conventional weapons do nothing against them. A virus bomb exterminatus does nothing, ect. But at the end of they day, they raid, they sneak, and their worlds are scattered. With the exception of the fact that they Tyranids avoid them like the plague, likely because they have no interest in consuming them, if tyranids, claw for gauss rifle, were matched against necrons, the tyranids would likely win. But would probably be very screwed in the proscess.

EDIT: The hive mind is likely to direct larger tyranid units to enter the tombs and demolish their repair facilities. So their numbers would be finite.

I gotta say despite the crons owning the nids hive fleet to tomb world the crons would be weakend then the hive mind could simply send in another fleet, and if that died another one ... so on I think in the end the nids would win simply because they would never stop. and if they ran out of biomass they could just stop by at the drive thru in the next galaxy =D

The real reason is why would they fight... there is nothing for the nids on tomb worlds so...

ignoring technology I have to say Tyranids, but then again thats like ignoring tactics for tau Vs. Imperium, or superhumanness for SM, or numbers for Tyranids

cross_revert wrote:As for why you want to disclude technology doesn't make any sense to me since it's a huge factor here, and in all theoretical battle situations.

Because Necrons have to primitive technology to fight Tyranids

For reference, basic Necron trooper has rifle that have a chance breaking through Land Raider armor. What to say more about them?

It's 1-0 for the necrons so far. But they really are the tyranids kryptonite.

you should add a poll to this thread

Scrabb wrote:It's 1-0 for the necrons so far. But they really are the tyranids kryptonite.

This pretty much.

Also I don't know the specifics of Tyranid weaponry but I would imagine all the nasty things that use poison, flesh eating bugs, viruses, and the like wouldn't really help against necrodermis.

And who knows how the C'tan could mess with things if they decided to show up to the fight.

Tyranids are billions in number, constantly growing so no matter how many tyranids the necrons kill there will be more. As a whole Tyranids pose a greater threat to the galaxy but if it was 1 on 1 i would have to say necrons would win.