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Hey All,

I'm pretty new coming back to 40k and have decided to start with the army i had envy for when i was younger blood angels. I've not played since the 2nd Edition so am slowly learning the rules. I'm trying to attempt to make a fast in your face blood angels army so i've come up with something like this list was wondering on how balanced this is?

HQ

Dante (Got to love this guy) - 225
Librarian - Terminator Armour Storm Shield (Blood Lance, The Sanguine Sword) - 145

Elites
Assault Terminators 3 Lightning Claws, 2 Thunder Hammers- 210
Furioso Dreadnought Blood Talons - 125

Troops
Sang Guard - 220 (2 IP) - Not sure if i should put all 5 in instead?
10 - Assault Squad Powerfist Power - 215
6 (10) - Assault Squad Powersword - 133 (205)

Heavy Support
Storm Raven 200

Thinking stick the terminators, librarian and dreadnought in the stormraven?
Thats my 1500 list not sure if I should drop dante and the sang guard and then up the 6 man squad to 10man assault squad and then the above plus

Troops
Assault Squad Power Weapon 2 Flamers - 215
Scout Squad 5 Snipers and Sgt Melta Bombs - 80

Heavy Support
150 - 3 Attack Bikes with Multi Meltas

Thats again up to 1500 Would be interested to see how terrible people think that is? Would also like some suggestions to scale it to 1750 and get either mephiston or dante, preferably dante?

Drop Dante and Sang guard (Sang Guard die wayyyyyy too easily compared to termies and there both 200 points so go figure.)

The problem with running DoA lists is that you can capture objects easily but holding on to them is a different story, so you might want to think about picking up a tac squad and maybe even devastators. Devs are cheaper in the BA codex then Vanilla and they provide long range anti-tank that BA have such a problem with.

Dude I dante lost his swag in this codex. I would disagree I have done awesome holding objectives with DoAs. So you are missing something HUGE melta you do not have much of it. 3 10 man assault squads w/ x2 melta and PwFist work wonders. Add in some priests too to make them extra killey. Feel no pain helps them get across. IMO I do not get the rage with the stormraven. They dont do crap for 200pts. Oh look a long fang squad just blew that up using half the points first turn. Now all that stuff is footslogging. If you say it is great cause it holds a dreadnaught,have fun spending 500pts on a lightly armored transport. Also try shield of sanguinus this thing is sweet because that 5+ works wonders if you do not get your armor save. Maybe 2 libby's would be better, one with jump packs. If you are *ugh going to keep the stormraven with the terminators give them unleashed rage, and shield to help live longer.

I disagree about dropping Dante, he is the man. Your list lacks melta as Necrons pointed out. Storm Raven and Dread gotta go, they will die before accomplishing anything. If I were you this iist I would run with:

HQ
Dante-225
Honor Guard(3xMelta,2xSS,JP)-235

Elites
Sang Priest(JP)x2-150

Troops
Assault Squad(2xMelta,PF)-235
Assault Squad(2xMelta,PF)-235

Fast Attack
VVS(SS,PW,PF,JP)-210
VVS(SS,PW,PF,JP)-210

Total:1500

Then at 2000 add:
Assault Squad(2xFlamer,PF)-225

Heavy Support
Devs(4xML)-130
Devs(4xML)-130

Then with the 15 points throw in an extra PW somewhere. This gives you a fast in your face BA list with some long range anti-tank thrown in at 2000. Vanguard Vets can assault the turn they deepstrike, making them very useful. Dante's pinpoint deepstrike allows for your HG to blow up a vehicle practically guaranteed. Good luck hope this helps!

IMO I would not take Dante, I found Astorath the all around better choice for a DoA list,

Dante-5 points more and lets you run a blingwing, Doesn't bolster your troops but tatical precision is nice.

Astorath- On average half your Assault squads will get Furious charge and fearless which will help when fighting other marines/I4 models, and did I mention Liturgies of Blood?

Astorath is more effective for what the list is trying to do.Not trying to hate or anything its just that Dante has lost his touch in most lists.

Dante brings tactical precision, hit and run, and debuff to your opponents IC, more attacks and another melta. Oh and the Death Mask of Sanguinius.

With Astorath you get what a chappy and two priests will give you anyway. I really think you have to use Dante regularly to realize he hasnt lost his touch, he has a lot to contribute to DoA lists.

I would rather be safe and take priests rather than relying on a 50% chance to get the red thirst. I suppose its really a matter of preference but I have found Dante to be enormously effective when placed with melta honour guard with a couple storm sheilds.

HQ

Astrorath - 220

Elites
Sangpriest JP x 1 - 75

Troops
10 - Assault Squad PF 2 Melta- 235
10 - Assault Squad PF 2 Melta -235
10 - Tactical Squad PW Melta Lascannon Rhino - 250

Fast Attack
VVS(SS,PW,PF,JP)-210

Heavy Support
Devestator Squad 4 ML - 130
Devestator Squad 4 ML - 130

Totals 1485

Not sure what to spend the 15points on but will put some melta bombs somewhere, I like the look of this and thing that 1 priest and astrorath would be enough meaning hopefully will get 30-50% of the squad with FC from Astrorath and then use the priest to bolster where needed. Also with the tactical squad in rhino to capture objectives

To scale to 2000 i think i'd add another VVS another priest then maybe a librarian? Any opinions on that?

Personally i reckon that Lax35 is bang on,i would never field a named character without utilising as many of their abilities as possible that is after all what their there for,astaroth has no place in your force where are the DC,dante is by far the better option that boy knows how to kick arse & his prcision DS will bail you out more often than a 3+ red thirst.

Hmm maybe i substitute in dante but then i don't want the sang guard as troop choices? just move one of the assault squads to honour guard

Or i go the boring way and use a librarian :(

I may look into and field Death company I've just finally brought the codex so going to spend some time reading through that and see what to go with Dante is definitely the coolest! Although Astrorath is still cool

yeah having sang guard as troops & swapping the assault squad for some honour guard would be a decent alternative,with lots of melta no av14 tank would be safe then,dante will allow you to land directly where you want them then BANG tank or MC gone,don't go boring although libbies do rock,& when ya look at the DC pay attention to the relentless rule,you can have JP DC with bolters move 12" rapid fire then assault hehe there sick

Man the death company are bad as. I'm going to play with two lists one with Dante & Sang Guard one with Astrorath and DC see which i like the look of more. A few squads of DC with JP and Power weapons and bolters then get up in ya face sounds nasty.

I'm liking the DC shame their in black armour :( would rather an ultra dark red colour instead?

EDIT...

These are the two lists i've come up with prefer the second one in all honesty.


Astrorath's List.

HQ
Astrorath – 220

Elite
Sang Priest JPx1 – 75

Troops
5 DC with JP 1xHF,5xPW - 260
5 DC with JP 1xHF,5xPW - 260
10 Assault Marines 2 Meltas PF – 235
10 Tactical Squad PW Melta Lascannon Rhinio - 250

VVS (SS PWx2 JP’s) - 200

1500

Dantes Assault

Dante 225
Honour Guard (2PW 2TH JP’s) - 255

Elite
Sang Priest (JP) 75

Troops
Sang Guard – 200
Sang Guard – 200
10 Assault Marines 2 Meltas PF – 235

Devastator Squad 4 ML – 130
Devastator Squad 4 ML – 130

Total of 1500

Think the Sang Guard are better options point wise to DC with JP's and PW

For the DC list do not give DC all PW's its a waste of points since you know there going to die, I found 1 PF and around 2 PW's to be enough to handle most things without going overboard.

5 DC - 80
1 PF - 25
2PW - 30
Razor 55

190 is the total.
Way more bang for your buck.

For Dante your going to have trouble with tank-heavy lists- take guard for example- they can take ALOT of AV14/13/10 leman russi.(Russes? Russ's?). And with 2 melta's your going to be pretty naked when you deepstrike.

Just DS behind them russ's ain't so mean with their back turned.

And that DC is looks very interesting,i'd go with bymis on not needing so many PW's,the points can be turned into more DC which is more ablative wounds for the squad

Here's an interesting take on combining the 2 lists that's on heresy at the mo.

The Sanguinor
= 275

Astorath
= 220

5 Sanguinary Guard
-Powerfist
-2 Inferus Pistol
= 230

5 Sanguinary Guard
-Powerfist
-2 Inferus Pistol
= 230

7 Death company
-Thunder hammer
-Jumpacks
= 275

7 Death company
-Thunder hammer
-Jumpacks
= 275

Total = 1505

If you take the Jump Pack DC, try to find points for Lemartes.
-He gives them the huge boost from rerolling hits and wounds, and he's Initiative 6 with a power weapon.
-Just put one wound on him from shooting and he becomes a beast.
-Finally, he cannot be picked out in CC because he is not an independent character.

He is totally worth the points and your HQ will still be free to take Dante.

Reclusiarch 160

3 Sang Priest JP's 225
5 Sang Guard 2 IP DM - 245

10 ASM PF 2 MM - 235
10 ASM PF 2 MM - 235

5 DEVS 4ML - 130
5 DEVS 4ML - 130
5 DEVs 4ML - 130

This is 1490 so have 10 points left to spend thinking of putting a priest in with each of my squads and then attaching the reclusiarch to the sang guard and getting in there all and having the Devs to give support. How does this one look?

Not sure how that looks considering this one also.

Librarian IP JP SOS BL Storm Bolter- 128
Sang Priest JP - 75

10 ASM 2 Flamers PF - 225
10 ASM 2 MM PF -235
10 ASM 2MM PF 235

Fast Attack
VVS (SS PW PF) - 210

5 Devs 4ML 130
5 Devs 4ML 130
5 Devs 4ML 130

I agree completely with rdlb, if your running dc then Lemartes is a must

Don't put the dread, termies and the raven all together, one lucky shot could mean you lose 680 points in one go. Some small tact squads (or combat squads) can hold onto the objectives, but I would have a good deal of assault units, BA get a pretty big disadvantage to not using enough assault.