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**Scarey Nerd**

It was 5 Necron Shroud Class ships, little agile fighters, they appeared at the edge of the Solar System and managed to penetrate every defende before getting to Mars, then 2 got shot down by the defenses, the other three landed but were promptly destroyed and that area was declared Forbidden ground.

**Scarey Nerd**

Ascalam wrote:A thing to remember here. If Necrons are destroyed they teleport to the nearest Tomb World to repair.

Who's to say (and it's heavily hinted in the codex -i've not read the novels) that Mars isn't the nearest tomb world?

Theory:

The Necrons knew this and landed on mars knowing that they would be olbliterated (shrouds are tough, but not THAT tough) in order to be teleported into the Labyrinth to wake the Dragon.

Food for thought.., It could have as much similarity to the real plot (if there is one)as a raspberry yoghurt, but that's how i interpret the intention of the shrouds that penetrated Mars's defenses.

I never thought of that... Intriguing. I doubt Games Workshop thought of it, but it does make sense. Hmm...

**Scarey Nerd**

The C'Tan DON'T hate each other. Towards the end of their multi-billion year reign they had friendly rivalries that turned nasty because of scarcity of food, the Deceivers machinations and the Laughing God's influence. With the amount of food around now, all the C'Tan save perhaps for the Outsider would be happy to work together for their common goal, because if they stay as distinct forces they each have a far smaller chance of success than if they group together.

**Scarey Nerd**

Azure wrote:
Scarey Nerd wrote:The C'Tan DON'T hate each other. Towards the end of their multi-billion year reign they had friendly rivalries that turned nasty because of scarcity of food, the Deceivers machinations and the Laughing God's influence. With the amount of food around now, all the C'Tan save perhaps for the Outsider would be happy to work together for their common goal, because if they stay as distinct forces they each have a far smaller chance of success than if they group together.

On 2 separate occasions the Deceiver has attempted to kill the Nightbringer, not to eat him or for fun, but to eradicate him entirely. The C'tan loath eachother as they are about the only thing, sans the Blackstone fortresses, that can actually kill another C'tan off. They didn't turn on each-other when food got scare as that didn't happen until after they had already gone to war against one another, they fought after the Deceiver tricked them into thinking that other C'tan may taste even better then humans, which proved true. The Enslaver plague is what forced them into hibernation as the food grew scarce and by that time we were down to the four current ones. The Nightbringer was almost dead when the Marines found him on Pavonis as the Deceiver had betrayed its location to its foes before the Nightbringer had fallen into stasis, which is when its scythe was banished to the Immaterium. However, I re-read some parts and while they still hate each-other, the Deceiver has concluded that it Does need the other C'tan to help it rule the galaxy again, so no. I suppose it wouldn't be trying to kill off the Dragon, but trying to awaken him.

It was my interpretation that the Deceiver attempted to kill the Nightbringer simply because it feared him as the only C'Tan that would try and turn on him. You may well be right, of course, I just never remembered reading anything that said the C'Tan hated each other.

According to the Codex, the C'Tan turned on each other for sport and spite, not actually wanting to consume each other but fighting for the sake of fighting. When the harvests grew thin, they began to devour one another (page 25). However, you are right that it was the Deceiver that tried to spark this off.

**Scarey Nerd**

Azure wrote:A god awful amount of the story is in fact Not covered in the codex but instead in a bunch of short stories that GW put out several years ago. If you look around here on dakka there is a beautiful informational thread that has cataloged every mention of Necrons/C'tan ever, and in there it gives more information on to their relations with each-other. Reading the Codex over again your viewpoint could easily be ascertained however, my apologies for assuming you had heard of this other stuff DX

Quite often when I'm routing around looking for Necron fluff, I get linked to the same GW page "Dawn of the C'Tan", but this page was removed years ago, so I can't find it

**Scarey Nerd**

Ascalam wrote:A lot of the codex is hints and whispers, not 'solid' fluff. I'd definitely be interested to see where the next codex takes the fluff

Into the path of Marine Bolter fire. I guarantee this.

**Scarey Nerd**

mwnciboo wrote:I find the Necron/ C'tan / Old Ones /Eldar all have a ridiculous amount of cross over. The big E wanted access to the Webway, used by the Eldar built by another race (read Old Ones?). The Eldar had gods who fought, the C'tan are Gods, are we all talking about the same things couldn't it be that they are the same thing....Vaul = Void Dragon = Dragon Imprisoned on Mars = Omnissah = Lord of Machines.

Khaine = Nightbringer?
Harlequins = Laughing God
Exodites = Outsider?

They say that Slaanesh ate them all the gods? Really? Or is that why they hate the Empyrean because they are in Slaanesh's realm?

If the C'tan hate the Empyrean and Warp then it would make sense that they had developed/used/interested in the Webway? I think they are all one and the same and each race has interpreted it differently. For all i know the Emperor might be trying to ascend as the 5th Chaos God, the Chaos caused by hope or Salvation.

They do have crossover, yes, but they're specifically said to have fought each other. There's a very long piece of fluff buried in the archives somewhere on the 'net that describes Khaine and the Nightbringer engaging in battle. Harlequins worship the Laughing God, they are not him. Exodites are definitely not the Outsider, as the Outsider is a C'Tan imprisoned in a Dyson Sphere by Harlequins, again this is in very old fluff.

Necrons hate the Empyrean because it is anathema to them. Necrons are soulless and cannot exist in the Warp whatsoever, it is the one thing they do not have mastery over.

The Old Ones and the C'Tan and Necrontyr fought a terrible war that involved the destruction of entire star systems, races being enslaved just to be terrorised for the sake of it and the bloodiest battles in the known history of the galaxy. If they are one and the same, then just about the entire Necron Codex is completely pointless.

**Scarey Nerd**

On a related note, friend of mine mentioned how he thinks they're going to put the Void Dragon into the new Necron Codex (I hope they do

). If the Children of the Dragon have the power to repair any machine by touch, and the Golden Throne has failed beyond the capability to repair of the Custodes or the Mechanicus, the current Guardian could leave Mars and come to Terra to repair the Throne. Emperor gets a pick-me-up, which caters for GW's main market, spesh mahreens, and Void Dragon can get loose. However, Void Dragon flees Solar system because... plot.

Just an idea...

**Scarey Nerd**

Ascalam wrote:That would require GW to advance the plot

They seem markedly unwilling to do so...

That said, It would be cool.

I agree that that would be unlikely, but if they're going to put in alliances between Necrons and Blood angels (

), they owe Necron players big.

**Scarey Nerd**

VikingScott wrote:
Azure wrote:
We know the Deceiver has infiltrated the Inquisition for quite some time and is masquerading as a bunch of high ups for the moment, but I don't think he'd be trying to get the Dragon worshiped. Remember, the C'tan hate each other so if anything I'd imagine him trying to get the Dragon destroyed as fast as possible.

Where is this from?

I've never heard of this?

(It's probably in the 'crons codex I'm guessing....)

In the 'Cron codex, yes. He kills a Planetary Governor and assumes his form, corrupting the system until they send an assassin, whom he kills effortlessly.

**Scarey Nerd**

I understand the idea, but I don't think it's inkeeping with the Necron theme. They're meant to be identical automatons, the rank and file footsoldiers of the C'Tan, and being able to assume a C'Tan's form seems like it would be... sacrilige, might be the best way to put it. It would feel, to me at least, like a cheap rip-off of the Eldar Avatars.

For the same reason, I don't like the idea of named Lords, because it again detracts from the concept of identicality (Probably not a word).

**Scarey Nerd**

asimo77 wrote:Well in the rulebook it mentions Necron Lords going insane from the statis, some believing themselves to be gods (and changing their forms to do so), and others going on hatred driven wars against the living. The lords seem to have some personality left.

As for named lords Necrons seem to follow the Tyranid naming scheme, all the names are taken from what the IoM and Eldar call them. For example some lords we know are the Silent King and the Bringer of Storms because that's what the IoM and others call them, who knows what their real names are. It's the same idea for why Deathleaper is called Deathleaper, those who have encountered him created that moniker for him.

That's true. I named my Lord the way I did because of his first encounter with Eldar, so I can see how they would work.

To your first point: Where does it mention that Lords go insane in stasis? I do remember reading it somewhere, but I can't remember where and I'd like to re-read the passage.

**Scarey Nerd**

Azure wrote:
Grey Templar wrote:Necron Lords certaintly retain the greater parts of their personality.

the Immortals also have some shred of their minds left.

it isn't unheard of for Necron Lords to battle each other over the other's army. the winner takes all.

Where does it mention them fighting each-other? If you look at the Apocalypse books, it's not just 1 Lord that rules a bunch of warriors, it's a triple redundancy system involving Bronze, silver, and gold Lords who are activated based on the threat level to the Tombworld and how fast it's awakening, with a theorized platinum Lord at the very top of the chain, though never before seen.

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