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Just switched from Blood Angels to Codex: Marines. Looking for constructive criticism.

1750 Pts - Space Marines Roster

HQ: Captain Darnath Lysander (1#, 200 pts)
. . 1 Captain Darnath Lysander, 200 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Storm Shield; And They Shall Know No Fear; Bolster Defenses; Bolter Drill; Chapter Tactics; Combat Tactics; Eternal Warrior; Independent Character)
. . . . 1 Fist of Dorn

Elite: Terminator Assault Squad (6#, 465 pts)
. . 4 Terminator Assault Squad, 465 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Lightning Claws (pair) x2; Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield x2; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics)
. . . . 1 Sergeant (Unit Type: Infantry; Lightning Claws (pair) x1; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics)
. . . . 1 Land Raider Redeemer (Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank); Transport Capacity: 12 models; Access Points: 3; Frag Assault Launchers; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Extra Armor; Multi-Melta; 2x Flamestorm Cannons; Twin Linked Assault Cannon; Assault Vehicle; Power of the Machine Spirit)

Troops: Tactical Squad (6#, 180 pts)
. . 4 Tactical Squad, 180 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x4; Bolter x4; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics)
. . . . 1 Sergeant (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol; Power Weapon x1; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics)
. . . . 1 Razorback (Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank); Transport Capacity: 6 models; Access Points: 3; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Lascannon and TL Plasmagun)

Troops: Tactical Squad (6#, 190 pts)
. . 4 Tactical Squad, 190 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x4; Bolter x4; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics)
. . . . 1 Sergeant (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol; Power Fist x1; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics)
. . . . 1 Razorback (Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank); Transport Capacity: 6 models; Access Points: 3; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Lascannon and TL Plasmagun)

Troops: Tactical Squad (6#, 190 pts)
. . 4 Tactical Squad, 190 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x4; Bolter x4; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics)
. . . . 1 Sergeant (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol; Power Fist x1; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics)
. . . . 1 Razorback (Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank); Transport Capacity: 6 models; Access Points: 3; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Lascannon and TL Plasmagun)

Troops: Scout Squad (5#, 75 pts)
. . 4 Scout Squad, 75 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Scout Armour; Bolt Pistol x4; Sniper Rifle x4; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Infiltrate; Move Through Cover; Scouts)
. . . . 1 Sergeant (Unit Type: Infantry; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Scout Armour; Bolt Pistol; Sniper Rifle; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Infiltrate; Move Through Cover; Scouts)

Heavy Support: Predator (1#, 120 pts)
. . 1 Predator, 120 pts (Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank); Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Autocannon; Lascannon (each side))

Heavy Support: Predator (1#, 120 pts)
. . 1 Predator, 120 pts (Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank); Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Autocannon; Lascannon (each side))

Fast Attack: Land Speeder Squadron (1#, 70 pts)
. . 1 Land Speeder Squadron, 70 pts (Unit Type: Vehicle (Skimmer, Fast); Multi-Melta x1; Heavy Flamer x1; Deep Strike)

Fast Attack: Land Speeder Squadron (1#, 70 pts)
. . 1 Land Speeder Squadron, 70 pts (Unit Type: Vehicle (Skimmer, Fast); Multi-Melta x1; Heavy Flamer x1; Deep Strike)

Fast Attack: Land Speeder Squadron (1#, 70 pts)
. . 1 Land Speeder Squadron, 70 pts (Unit Type: Vehicle (Skimmer, Fast); Multi-Melta x1; Heavy Flamer x1; Deep Strike)

Why don't you bring a unit or two of sternguard instead of TAC marines? They are very flexible and help in a lot of situations.

Sternguard are a lot more expensive.

What hole in his army do you think they would fill?

The army looks good to me, even if your style of typing it is a little hard to really read quickly.

The only thing I would suggest is loosing the PF's and PW on the Sargent's. A 5 man tac squad should NOT be in combat, so paying for upgrades to make them 'less bad' at something they shouldnt be doing is counter productive. Maybe use the points to give them combi-melters and M.bombs instead?


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Oh, and also make all the terminators TH/SS. You really need them to instant death Nobz, take out monstrous creatures etc ... I cant remember the math off the top of my head but I think LC's only do better against 1 or 2 specific enemies, which isn't worth it for all the other situations.

Hamani wrote:
Sternguard are a lot more expensive.

What hole in his army do you think they would fill?

The army looks good to me, even if your style of typing it is a little hard to really read quickly.

The only thing I would suggest is loosing the PF's and PW on the Sargent's. A 5 man tac squad should NOT be in combat, so paying for upgrades to make them 'less bad' at something they shouldnt be doing is counter productive. Maybe use the points to give them combi-melters and M.bombs instead?


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Oh, and also make all the terminators TH/SS. You really need them to instant death Nobz, take out monstrous creatures etc ... I cant remember the math off the top of my head but I think LC's only do better against 1 or 2 specific enemies, which isn't worth it for all the other situations.

Sorry for the odd armylist but that comes straight out of Army Builder and that's how they format it in BBCode.

The terminators I'm thinking of making another LC a TH/SS. I like the 4/2 setup as I can soften up a squad before the hammers strike, rather than taking the hits first.

As for the combi-meltas. I think that it's an alright idea. I'm going to be objective parking most of the time with them so they might never be in melta range, but I know I might get assaulted and that power fist might come in handy. This list isn't set in stone yet, so keep the comments coming!

I understand your logic but PF or not, if your 5 man squad is being assaulted then its a gonner. Your spending points to try and save a situation which you will still lose.

Plus they shouldn't really every be outside of the Razorback, let alone be within charging distance (unless you are using them as bait/speedbump)