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How wouldst this fare in a competitive atmosphere?

Mephiston: 250

Furioso w/ Talons: 125
Assault Termies: TH/SS: 225

Assault squad: TL HF razorback, melta gun, power fist serg: 155
Assault squad: TL HF razorback, melta gun, power fist serg: 155
Assault squad: TL LC razorback, melta gun: 165
Assault squad: TL LC razorback, melta gun: 165

Baal Pred: Flamestorm: 115
Baal Pred: Flamestorm: 115

Stormraven: Multimelta, Assault Cannon, Hurricane Bolters, Extra Armor: 245
Predator: Autocannon, Lascannon Sponsons: 135
Predator: Autocannon, Lascannon Sponsons: 135

Everything is good but the raven. Make it a landraider by making one of the termies have LC. Drop the predators for a vindicator and 2 sanguinary priests. FNP is awesome. Give one of the baals heavy flamer sponsons. Change the TL LC razors to las plas.

Should be 1850 on the dot.

I dig the list, but I would also try to fist a priest in with the termies. Give three of them lightning claws and you've got 12 Str 5 I 5 power weapon attacks that reroll to wound.

If you give three termies LC and lose the hurricane bolters that's only 5 more points to find a priest.

I also prefer the TL Las, because even though you only have one weapon, you can move 12" and shoot, which lets you choose hiding places with more flexibility, and you really get a much higher chance of cracking something on the first turn, which is crucial to your list.

I like the raven, but I'd expect you'll suffer pretty badly for a few games till you learn how to keep it alive. Just persevere!

I would think theDuncan's adviceis dead on!

necronsftw wrote:I would think theDuncan's adviceis dead on!

I also agree, a single SR at this points level would make it very difficult to keep alive. The only thing to consider is how to get the Furioso in to combat (mayhaps, find 35 points and DP it in, or just cut it altogether in favor of another Razorback RAS (still gotta make up 30 pts.) but I think its superior.

I agree with everyone above the Stormraven IMO is only effective when you have a LR or other serious unit on the table, to take the fire.

I don't understand why keeping the Stormraven alive is a priority. Let is move 24" into the enemy lines, fire the twi-linked multimelta to blow up a transport and wait. If your opponent blows up the SR, then the Dread and Termies spill out into the middle of your opponents army. That's a big headache right there. While he is dealing with that he doesn't touch your scoring units and razorback units. Mephiston will be on him turn 2 as he comes up behind the Baal's and all hell will break loose - all in the enemy deployment zone.

Meanwhile the Predators will be able to snipe away at tanks and no one will think twice about the razorbacks with scoring units because of all the fun that is sitting in the enemy deployment zone causing havoc.

I like the list. Keep it as is and play some games.

DarthDiggler wrote:I don't understand why keeping the Stormraven alive is a priority. Let is move 24" into the enemy lines, fire the twi-linked multimelta to blow up a transport and wait. If your opponent blows up the SR, then the Dread and Termies spill out into the middle of your opponents army. That's a big headache right there. While he is dealing with that he doesn't touch your scoring units and razorback units. Mephiston will be on him turn 2 as he comes up behind the Baal's and all hell will break loose - all in the enemy deployment zone.

Meanwhile the Predators will be able to snipe away at tanks and no one will think twice about the razorbacks with scoring units because of all the fun that is sitting in the enemy deployment zone causing havoc.

I like the list. Keep it as is and play some games.

All you have said relies on the fact that the enemy goes second.
Also, the raven should stay alive as it is worth 245 points in this list. There are cheaper ways to get a squad and dread into the enemy's force. Hint: drop pods.

The whole idea that the stormraven is awesome is a marketing attempt by GW to sell the product. That is why all the people who start blood angels want to use one. It is the uber strong flying thing; and it can carry dreads and ignores melta. YAY !

First its not just a transport, its also a very potent gunship, and secondly its a 200 point transport base and at 1850 that is almost 10% of your army.

Furthermore you can't just assume that you will go first all the time, in which case you will not be 24" into your opponents deployment zone. This leaves you with a few options:

-You could use Shield on a librarian to negate 1/3 of the shots to the SR
-You could reserve and arrive on your table edge via the normal reserve rules and then you can move on 24" onto the table (you will miss at least a turn of gameplay by doing this, and you risk not getting the SR until late in the game.)
-You could reserve and arrive via deep strike. Very risky without DoA for a vehicle that big to DS. I lost 600+ points in one turn once to just such a situation.
-You could try and find cover, but for a vehicle that high up it will be very difficult.
-You could deploy as normal and hope for the best 'good luck'

Redundancy is the best choice for a SR list, and it is my belief that to make it work requires your list to be built around them. That means two to three SR's (depending on points size) a dreadnought in each, and a very elite assault unit in the hold. Couple that with some long range support from razorbacks or devastators and its a decent list.

You are correct about the fact that if you can manage to get 24" in, at least then as a consolation you have your nasty assault units in their face. I'd rather 2nd turn assault from the assault ramp and kill several units right there.

Edit- Ninja'd ^^

245pts means nothing. Victory points have long been removed from the game system. To win the game you must win the objective and if losing a 245pt model on turn 1-2 gives you the best chance to claim the objective, then you do it.

The Stormraven allows dreads to assault out of them. Drop Pods don't do that. If you go second you have options, depending on terrain. It will at least get a cover save and if your opponent can't bring enough weapons to bare on it (everyone love melta these days) you might take the chance of letting it get shot at turn 1. 3 of the Pen results will mean nothing as it will still fly with crew shaken, crew stunned and weapon destroyed.

You can really threaten your opponent by scouting the 2 Baal's to within 12" of his lines. These are the Flamestorm cannon Baals and anybody not in a ride will be very scared of them. Now you can create 3 turn 1 priority targets.

If you are up against an old 4th edition marine Lascannon review, then you have a 3rd option and that is to reserve the Stormraven. It will then be able to come on and either pick a choice target to light up with shots or fly 24" into the heart of the battle.

If you are up against a DE skimmer list, then you would want to use the SR's multi-targeting abilities to there fullest. You can target 2 different raiders with str 8 ap 1 missiles twice, before you switch to the standard weaponry.

A Stromraven is a very specific piece of equipment. It can do some things similar to a land raider, but it does other things that no unit can do. Having a Dread assault out of one can be crippling depending on the dread and the enemy. Having it drop off assault termies is a bonus. No unit can move 24" and fire a twin-linked multimelta.

I think the SR is worth it, especially in a list designed to maximise it's potential. This list is close. Having a DC dread with Talons would be the best Dread to carry, barring that I think the OP should take a Furioso with Talons. That's the only change I would make at thins point.

I think the Stormraven is the best choice as it puts the terms and dread right where you want them to be. Pods can't do that since they don't have assault ramps. He can always hold the SR in reserve and TB onto the table when it arrives.

Honestly, I seen this list time and time again, it does not do well againt DE, especially if they go first. I realize that many BA players are either mech, half mech and jump pack or all jump pack. I don't like the stormraven because of the armour 12....too many las and missle laucher out there now. If you like it the Stormraven, you should leave it in Res and DS in.

Never DS the SR as it counts as moving at cruising speed. No cover plus 2d6" scatter is not good.

Afrikan Blonde wrote:Never USE the SR... ...is not good.

Fixed it for ya .


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Against a leafblower this list will be GONE. GONE I repeat. It does not have enough infantry. You should AT LEAST have 6 5-man assault squads in razors. The stormraven is simply a massive point sink. The way you have the list the enemy will be hit by multiple waves.
1) Stormraven drops some stuff kills some stuff.
Enemy move back and shoot it all to hell or assault the ground stuff and destroy the raven w/ las, autocannons, plasma, multilasers, etc.
2) Baals and preds hit the enemy, along w/ razorbacks. Cut down by melta-spam and lascannons.
3) Assault squads in the razorbacks (if not already dead) emerge from their vehicles and attack. Enemy once again maneuver and neutralise.

Too many points in a deathstar that is highly likely to crash and burn. Redundancy, my friends, is key.

I agree with most of what has been said. I have found the Storm Raven to be inefficient for its point cost and survivability. I would not play a Storm Raven in a tournament, but it can be fun to use in friendly games. It is very satisfying to drop termies and a dread into an opponents lines.

I play the half mech / half jump pack list someone eluded to earlier and found that by putting everything into reserve, you eliminate the problem of not going first. Special rules like DoA help with reserves and deep striking. Long range weapons on Razorbacks make your first turn an alphastrike.

Storm Raven hating aside, I think Mephiston is a bigger problem in your list. He costs too much, he doesn't have an invuln save, and you can't hide him in a unit for ablative shielding. Against Eldar, you have less than a 50 / 50 chance of powers working (assuming farseer) and against a marine player you have a 50 / 50 chance of powers working (assuming libby). He can be a beast, but he is no where near as money as other beasts like Ghaz, Logan, or the Bloodthirster.

In my humble opinion, I would consider dropping Mephiston in favor of a regular libby or a reclusiarch in termie armor. Also drop the hurricane bolters on the Storm Raven. You should have enough left over for another mech troop squad.

Finally, play to have fun and let experience be the teacher.

rdlb wrote:I dig the list, but I would also try to fist a priest in with the termies.

Sorry, but picturing a priest "fisted in" with the termies just had me laughing like crazy...

List looks alright but switch Storm Raven for Baal Predator and another Predator, with it carrying a payload of Terminators and a Dreadnought a competent player will blow it to pieces and let those Terminators and the Dreadnought walk. People are saying the Storm Raven is 245 points, which is correct, but they're not looking at the big picture that's it's 245 points plus Terminators 225 plus Furioso 125 making that unit delivery a total cost of 595 which is about 1/3 of your points. I would seriously considering if it's worth taking or not.