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Made in ca
Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord






Personally I've always loved the concept of an all-wraith army. Plus, it's another Craftworld I can add to my collection (Biel-tan has been added due to the Court of Young Kings army). While there is an actual Iyanden character in the Eldar Codex (prince Yriel) I really dont think his autarch abilities are suited for Wraith guards, so I'm going to use Iyanna Arienal as a stand-in for Eldrad. Call me cheese, but I've always had a soft spot for the spiritseer (she is rather cute >.&gt.

So, the army list is as follows:

HQ:

Iyanna Arienal (Eldrad) - 210 pts
Warlock Bodyguard (3) - Destructor, Embolden, Enhance - 105pts

Troops:

Wraithguard (10) - Warlock, Enhance, Spiritseer, Singing Spear - 399 pts
Wraithguard (10) - Warlock, Enhance, Spiritseer - 396 pts

Heavy Support:

Wraithlord - TL Bright Lance - 170 pts
Wraithlord - Eldar Missile Launcher - 115pts
Wraithlord - Eldar Missile Launcher - 115pts


Near the end I was just randomly assigning points, but I really like the TL Bright Lance (gonna make sure that Land Raider stays dead). Note that I have the old metal Wraithlords, so they dont lend themselves to conversion as well, so I'm pretty much limited to the one weapon. The aim for the army is, once again, Annhilation games.


EDIT: Updated list (this is the same list as the one a few posts down):

HQ:

Iyanna Arienal (Eldrad) - 210pts

Elites:

Wraithguard (5) - 175
Wraithguard (5) - 175

Troops:

Wraithguard (10) - Warlock, Destructor, Spiritseer - 391 pts
Guardian Squad (18) - Warlock, Embolden, Scatter laser - 189pts

Heavy Support:

Wraithlord - Bright Lance - 130 pts
Wraithlord - Eldar Missile Launcher - 115pts
Wraithlord - Eldar Missile Launcher - 115pts

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2011/02/07 19:53:39


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Kanluwen wrote:
Hell, I'm not that bothered by the Stormraven. Why? Because, as it stands right now, it's "limited use".When it's shoehorned in to the Codex: Space Marines, then yeah. I'll be irked.


When I'm editing alot, you know I have a gakload of homework to (not) do. 
   
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Aarhus, Denmark

Hoo, Mecha - that's pretty much the list i was thinking of, when i first began pondering about buying a Iyanden-themed Eldar CW.
- Of course, i ended up changing my mind, due to already having an MC-heavy army with the 'nidz (not much variation from starting another MC-army, eh?).

@Iyanna - i fully concur to her. She's awesome!
What have you in mind for Iyanna? Well, modelling-wise..?

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Made in ca
Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord






One of these two Farseers:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440239a&prodId=prod1060019

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440239a&prodId=prod1060021

The first one fits Iyanna pretty well, given that she has the Spear of Teuthlas. However the second one is more WYSIWYG for Eldrad, as he has a staff and pistol (I dont think people really care about his Witchblade, but if needed I can always just glue an eldar sword onto the back or base).

The one and only pic we have of her (as far as I know) just shows her with a long, smooth and sublime face, everything else is basically normal Warlock/Farseer fair, so a simple headswap should do. My main problem now is finding a suitable head. Bitz ordering for one tiny head is kinda expensive (given that Wraith Guards are going to make me pay out the nose for all 20, I'd like to be cheap in all other areas whenever possible) and no one nearby plays High Elves or Wood Elves (who have alot of good heads for Iyanna). There is a Helmetless Guardian head on a Guardian sprue I have, but it's pretty masculine and has scruffy hair, which doesnt suit Iyanna at all.

An alternative model (that I have) I was considering was the Damsel on foot here:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440036a&prodId=prod780911

I just need to clip her staff and sculpt some runes on her. However I really like the new farseer models, so I'm somewhat conflicted.


Gwar! wrote:Huh, I had no idea Graham McNeillm Dav Torpe and Pete Haines posted on Dakka. Hi Graham McNeillm Dav Torpe and Pete Haines!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can I have an Autograph!


Kanluwen wrote:
Hell, I'm not that bothered by the Stormraven. Why? Because, as it stands right now, it's "limited use".When it's shoehorned in to the Codex: Space Marines, then yeah. I'll be irked.


When I'm editing alot, you know I have a gakload of homework to (not) do. 
   
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Raging-on-the-Inside Blood Angel Sergeant




Stavromueller Beta

I think this theme is great. But you are gonna have a hard time Doing well without any screens for the wraith constructs.

I think some storm guardians are really necessary to create a buffer around your expensive troops. I know you don'thave a lot of points to mess around with but I think it will really help the Army.

Go with the first model for sure!

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2011/02/07 05:13:51


 
   
Made in ca
Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord






I dont think I can spare the cash for Storm Guardians, but I do have some Defenders with a platform that I can use. If I take away the Warlock Bodyguards and demote the TL Bright Lance into a normal Bright Lance, I can free up 140 points or so. Iyanna can then travel with the Guardians instead, or be screened by the Wraithguards.

I might also give the Spiritseers Conceal instead of Enhance. While the Wraithguards do need to get close to the enemy, I dont think I would actually charge them in.

EDIT: Also I'm probably gonna go with the Damsel. I already have her and am not going to use her in the Bretonnian army anyways, since I was going for a completely mounted theme. That and I really dont wanna blow another 20 bucks on a new model, especially since I need to blow some 400 on the wraithguards anyways).

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2011/02/07 05:27:01


Gwar! wrote:Huh, I had no idea Graham McNeillm Dav Torpe and Pete Haines posted on Dakka. Hi Graham McNeillm Dav Torpe and Pete Haines!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can I have an Autograph!


Kanluwen wrote:
Hell, I'm not that bothered by the Stormraven. Why? Because, as it stands right now, it's "limited use".When it's shoehorned in to the Codex: Space Marines, then yeah. I'll be irked.


When I'm editing alot, you know I have a gakload of homework to (not) do. 
   
Made in ca
Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord






List update and slight bump, since I think I still need some input on the list, both theme-wise and competitive wise:

HQ:

Iyanna Arienal (Eldrad) - 210pts

Elites:

Wraithguard (5) - 175
Wraithguard (5) - 175

Troops:

Wraithguard (10) - Warlock, Destructor, Spiritseer - 391 pts
Guardian Squad (18) - Warlock, Embolden, Scatter laser - 189pts

Heavy Support:

Wraithlord - Bright Lance - 130 pts
Wraithlord - Eldar Missile Launcher - 115pts
Wraithlord - Eldar Missile Launcher - 115pts

This includes a support squad of Guardians to help handle hordes (especially CC hordes like Orks and the likes). The Wraithlords, with their Bright Lance and EMLs, should handle tanks well enough, and any that get close will feel the wrath of the Wraithguard Cannons. Since there is now a Guardian Squad in the army, I can split the second Wraithguard up into two squads, to both provide some target saturation AND so I can target more enemies with their Wraithcannons. I cant really split up the guardians because I dont have a second platform, nor do I wish to pay for one in points. However the oversaturation of Guardians does seem to skew the theme a bit, so I'm not quite sure on it and may opt to take a few less and bring in another cheap Spiritseer to accompany the MSU Wraithguards.

Also, as for Iyanna, I've decided to go with the Bretonnian Damsel. I'm getting 2 boxes of Dire Avengers and likely giving them twin catapults, so I'll have an excess of Eldar Blades, which can be used to make Iyanna's Spear of Teuthlas.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2011/02/07 19:40:27


Gwar! wrote:Huh, I had no idea Graham McNeillm Dav Torpe and Pete Haines posted on Dakka. Hi Graham McNeillm Dav Torpe and Pete Haines!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can I have an Autograph!


Kanluwen wrote:
Hell, I'm not that bothered by the Stormraven. Why? Because, as it stands right now, it's "limited use".When it's shoehorned in to the Codex: Space Marines, then yeah. I'll be irked.


When I'm editing alot, you know I have a gakload of homework to (not) do. 
   
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I love the Iyanden lists but it will run into alot of trouble vs any heavy ranged force or blitz melee or even mobile firebase... which is 90% of the armies out there.... I can see this army doing well vs Grey Knights and cheese Nids but thats about it. Factor in space wolves can run 8 rhino chasis plus 12 missiles for 1500 and cut you down before you even get close due to the slow moving speed of this Eldar army. Mech Eldar will dance around you. Mech tau or even gunline tau will give you alot of trouble... you are effectively playing a lower model count then a Grey Knights army with worse saves/weaponry...

If you are looking for suggestions I recommend going mobile, but if you insist on being on foot then run conceal on your locks, drop the lock council and add a second fortune seer. Put your 2 seers in each of the wraith guard squads, who will be protected by the majority toughness and can run fortune and guide on those units... If you are running into alot of gun line armies that eat you before you even get close (because remember your kill zone is 12 inches) drop the TL bright lance wraith lord for 2 DEF guardian squads with bright lance platforms (if you really feel you need more tank killing) otherwise put some scatter lasers or heavy RoF weapons in this army PLEASE... what are you going to do vs orc/tyranid swarm armies??? Hell even some harlequin 5 man squads to run next to these units would be your punch once you get them into close combat... which most armies are going to give you one turn of shooting then charge you.

Once again I love the concept but if you are trying to play this competitively save yourself the trouble and only bring wraithguard if they are in a WS and only in metas where you know you will be facing 2-3 land raiders... otherwise you will be tabled turn 3 with maybe 2-3 MODELS killed, not UNITS and trust me losing isnt fun but effectively doing nothing all game but moving and getting shot at will ruin the game for you fast.
   
Made in ca
Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord






I've updated the list, which got rid of the Warlock Council and added in some guardians for Anti-horde.

I would prefer the list to remain more than 60% wraith/warlock. Iyanna as Eldrad seems more useful to me than two Fortune Seers.

Gwar! wrote:Huh, I had no idea Graham McNeillm Dav Torpe and Pete Haines posted on Dakka. Hi Graham McNeillm Dav Torpe and Pete Haines!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can I have an Autograph!


Kanluwen wrote:
Hell, I'm not that bothered by the Stormraven. Why? Because, as it stands right now, it's "limited use".When it's shoehorned in to the Codex: Space Marines, then yeah. I'll be irked.


When I'm editing alot, you know I have a gakload of homework to (not) do. 
   
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Longtime Dakkanaut






Springhurst, VIC, Australia

I though I might lend my thoughts:

HQ
Iyanna Arienal (Eldrad)
210

Elites
4 Wraithguard
-Warlock
-Singing Spear
-Conceal
183

4 Wraithguard
-Warlock
-Singing Spear
-Conceal
183

Troops
10 Wraithguard
-Spiritseer
-Singing Spear
-Conceal
396

9 Dire Avengers
-Exarch
-Power weapon + Shimmershield
-Bladestorm
150

Heavy Support
Wraithlord
-Flamers
-Wraithsword
-EML
125

Wraithlord
-Flamers
-Wraithsword
-EML
125

Wraithlord
-Flamers
-Wraithsword
-EML
125

1499

The plan I think is to run the wraithlords in front of the army, making a wall, shooting and engaging tough targets and protecting the wraithguard. The flamers on the lords will clear large portions of hordes (if you get in range first). Eldrad should be fortuning the lords and dooming whatever is in front of them (or maybe guide the eml). I have added conceal to the wraithguard to add extra protection when out in the open. I have replaced the guardians with dire avaengers to add the extra 6" threat range + bladestorm to cut large threats down. I have also added the power weapon and shimmershield to increase survivability in CC (its better to throw the DAs into CC than the wraithguard).

I hope that provides some help.

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Made in ca
Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord






Thanks for the quick reply. However I dont think I can do the Wraithswords or Dire Avengers. It's the same old Wraithlords from before, and they're already primed with a Bright Lance and two EMLs. DAs are also kinda unfluffy in my eyes.

Also, a quick rulings question, how does the Singing Spear work against vehicles when thrown? It's not very clear in the book.

Gwar! wrote:Huh, I had no idea Graham McNeillm Dav Torpe and Pete Haines posted on Dakka. Hi Graham McNeillm Dav Torpe and Pete Haines!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can I have an Autograph!


Kanluwen wrote:
Hell, I'm not that bothered by the Stormraven. Why? Because, as it stands right now, it's "limited use".When it's shoehorned in to the Codex: Space Marines, then yeah. I'll be irked.


When I'm editing alot, you know I have a gakload of homework to (not) do. 
   
Made in gb
Boom! Leman Russ Commander




Northampton

The Iyanden army is one that I have always wanted to do but never got around to it for two reasons - cost and the fact the army isn't all that good, but the latter reason means nothing to me now as I've pretty much given up on competitive play.

Good luck to you though dude.

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Longtime Dakkanaut






Springhurst, VIC, Australia

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Thanks for the quick reply. However I dont think I can do the Wraithswords or Dire Avengers. It's the same old Wraithlords from before, and they're already primed with a Bright Lance and two EMLs. DAs are also kinda unfluffy in my eyes.

Also, a quick rulings question, how does the Singing Spear work against vehicles when thrown? It's not very clear in the book.


I know where you are coming from with the cost and look of the older models in the eldar range, its tough, and there is no substitutes that look good that I can find for the wraithguard.

Regarding the singing spear:
R:12" S:9 (it triples the throwers strength) +D6 against vehicles. AP4?

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Made in ca
Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord






I can bring in some Guardians, the last survivors of Iyandan, instead of DAs, would they be good? If so which weapon would be the best for the weapons platform?

Gwar! wrote:Huh, I had no idea Graham McNeillm Dav Torpe and Pete Haines posted on Dakka. Hi Graham McNeillm Dav Torpe and Pete Haines!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can I have an Autograph!


Kanluwen wrote:
Hell, I'm not that bothered by the Stormraven. Why? Because, as it stands right now, it's "limited use".When it's shoehorned in to the Codex: Space Marines, then yeah. I'll be irked.


When I'm editing alot, you know I have a gakload of homework to (not) do. 
   
Made in dk
Ork-Hunting Inquisitorial Xenokiller





Aarhus, Denmark

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:The one and only pic we have of her (as far as I know) just shows her with a long, smooth and sublime face, everything else is basically normal Warlock/Farseer fair, so a simple headswap should do. My main problem now is finding a suitable head. Bitz ordering for one tiny head is kinda expensive (given that Wraith Guards are going to make me pay out the nose for all 20, I'd like to be cheap in all other areas whenever possible) and no one nearby plays High Elves or Wood Elves (who have alot of good heads for Iyanna). There is a Helmetless Guardian head on a Guardian sprue I have, but it's pretty masculine and has scruffy hair, which doesnt suit Iyanna at all.

While not official, i'd dare to say, that this artwork comes pretty near:

I do realise, that it's not your average Farseer. But neither is Iyanna.

An alternative model (that I have) I was considering was the Damsel on foot here:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440036a&prodId=prod780911

I just need to clip her staff and sculpt some runes on her. However I really like the new farseer models, so I'm somewhat conflicted.

Idk... i'd recommend the DE wyches, actually. They've got some pretty nicely looking faces:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440233a&prodId=prod900152a

Alternatively, this one could be an optional choice:

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Made in ca
Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord






DE Wyches tend to have really angry and emotive faces. Iyanna seems more sublime. The Avatar of Wars mini looks good, but I'm afraid of it's costs =x

Gwar! wrote:Huh, I had no idea Graham McNeillm Dav Torpe and Pete Haines posted on Dakka. Hi Graham McNeillm Dav Torpe and Pete Haines!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can I have an Autograph!


Kanluwen wrote:
Hell, I'm not that bothered by the Stormraven. Why? Because, as it stands right now, it's "limited use".When it's shoehorned in to the Codex: Space Marines, then yeah. I'll be irked.


When I'm editing alot, you know I have a gakload of homework to (not) do. 
   
Made in au
Longtime Dakkanaut






Springhurst, VIC, Australia

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:I can bring in some Guardians, the last survivors of Iyandan, instead of DAs, would they be good? If so which weapon would be the best for the weapons platform?


Depends on how you want to play it, if they are going to stay back and shoot, I would suggest scatter laser. If you want them as a screen I would go shuriken cannon and warlock with embolden or conceal + spear.

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Made in ca
Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord






Ok. Also, are Warlocks necessary to accompany the WG or are they ok to wander a bit? I ask cuz each Warlock is around the same points cost as a WG, and some abbalative wounds would help.

Gwar! wrote:Huh, I had no idea Graham McNeillm Dav Torpe and Pete Haines posted on Dakka. Hi Graham McNeillm Dav Torpe and Pete Haines!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can I have an Autograph!


Kanluwen wrote:
Hell, I'm not that bothered by the Stormraven. Why? Because, as it stands right now, it's "limited use".When it's shoehorned in to the Codex: Space Marines, then yeah. I'll be irked.


When I'm editing alot, you know I have a gakload of homework to (not) do. 
   
Made in au
Longtime Dakkanaut






Springhurst, VIC, Australia

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Ok. Also, are Warlocks necessary to accompany the WG or are they ok to wander a bit? I ask cuz each Warlock is around the same points cost as a WG, and some abbalative wounds would help.

I prefer to take warlocks in wraithguard units as they remove the wraithsight rule, adds an invul. save and grants a 5+ cover save. Plus adds some decent CC ability

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Ok. That also eases my Wraithguard Purchases a bit.

Gwar! wrote:Huh, I had no idea Graham McNeillm Dav Torpe and Pete Haines posted on Dakka. Hi Graham McNeillm Dav Torpe and Pete Haines!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can I have an Autograph!


Kanluwen wrote:
Hell, I'm not that bothered by the Stormraven. Why? Because, as it stands right now, it's "limited use".When it's shoehorned in to the Codex: Space Marines, then yeah. I'll be irked.


When I'm editing alot, you know I have a gakload of homework to (not) do. 
   
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Aarhus, Denmark

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:DE Wyches tend to have really angry and emotive faces. Iyanna seems more sublime. The Avatar of Wars mini looks good, but I'm afraid of it's costs =x


It goes for less than 100 dkr in Denmark... Not 100% sure of the currency where you live, but... It's really not much... About the sam price as the Eldar Farseer you linked...

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Made in ca
Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord






Given the exchange rates, it's actually cheaper than the farseer. Is AoW items available at FLGSs or direct order only? They mentioned having their own game system and plastic casting methods, so I would think some FLGS (most notably Heavy Support, who seems to stock anything tabletop related) would have them. Otherwise I might just go with either the farseer or a converted damsel, as those seem like better ones to me =x (Damsel being cheaper since I already have her and was gonna scrap her anyways, while the Farseer resembles a farseer more).

Gwar! wrote:Huh, I had no idea Graham McNeillm Dav Torpe and Pete Haines posted on Dakka. Hi Graham McNeillm Dav Torpe and Pete Haines!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can I have an Autograph!


Kanluwen wrote:
Hell, I'm not that bothered by the Stormraven. Why? Because, as it stands right now, it's "limited use".When it's shoehorned in to the Codex: Space Marines, then yeah. I'll be irked.


When I'm editing alot, you know I have a gakload of homework to (not) do. 
   
 
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