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Hello, i am looking to possibly get more "free infintry". When making a heavy weapons team on a 65mm base, do you have to have the second guy that holds a lasgun or ammo? or can you just have gun and operator.

a heavy weapon team is a two wound model armed with a heavy weapon.

How you choose to represent that is up to you, but no way that you represent it will actually change the rules.

So basicly i could put one guardsman with a lascannon on, and put the other dude with a lasgun on a compleatly different base? Nice, thats what im doing. Ive also got 3 extra 65mm bases, but no base for the lascannon turret, would it look okay to put a guardsman Carrying! a lascannon on a 65mm base? or should i prop it on a mortar base?

There is nothing stopping you building a mortar team on 3 single individual bases. The mortar and tripod on one base and the 2 guardsmen on the other 2. Also re-use the missile launcher on normal guardsmen and have the guard sholder mount the launcher whilst standing up.

ImpGuard, you could do that as long as your opponent agreed to let you do it. The HWTs are meant to have two figures on one base (disclaimer: If you have the old HWT, it came with the smaller bases and each figure had its own base. With the HWT, its 2 figures per base) to avoid some of the confusion that occurred with the older HWTs.

I dont know that I would have a problem with it, but there are some players that do. To be safe, if they were your first set of HWT, I would place them on the normal mortar bases.

I currently have one guardsmen crouching weilding a rocket launcher, i like how it looks. I also have 3 morters on a single base too :p i wasnt sure if that was ok for lascannon, but i guess if my opponent wont let me have one, i can just put a dude on the base with the gun. Easy fix?

That would be the easiest fix, yes.

Definitely don't just assume that it's ok to field the bases with just the one guy on them... since it does make a difference to how the team functions for LOS.

I run a pretty old guard army consisting mostly of Mordians and Tallarns. With the old HWT models that are separate, I generally just put the two models touching each other, inform my opponent of the current rules, and count any blast shots hitting any part of either model as a hit on the HWT as if it were using a single base (I say any part, because the two small bases don't extend out from as far as they should, but usually their gun or launcher barrel does closely enough for approximation). I have yet to encounter an opponent who has made a stink about it. You could also just get some 65mm bases and stick the old models to it, but they only sell them in the combo bases pack, not separately.

I would put thde 2 seperate models next to each other, and LOS is from the gun im firing, so if its a lascannon, it doesnt matter where the second guy is, the one firing the gun needs to see

ImpGuardPanzies wrote:I would put thde 2 seperate models next to each other, and LOS is from the gun im firing, so if its a lascannon, it doesnt matter where the second guy is, the one firing the gun needs to see

I don't think this is such a good idea.

For people with older models that were designed to be used under the older rules (when HWT were two separate models) I think it's fine to play them this way because that's the base that they were purchased with.

However, if someone purchases brand new HWTs with the larger bases and simply elects to put them on smaller bases (albeit two of them) that's not really following the rules of "using the base that came with the model" and could also be considered "modeling for an advantage" since you now have a smaller footprint for blast/template weapons to hit.

Friendly games would probably not be an issue but it's a tricky situation regardless. Probably best to just stick with a single model on the large base if you're looking to save troops.

DoW

Dog, i have surpassed this problem. Bare with me and my shoes for a second

You have extra 25mm bases, put a guy with lasgun on two, but a bipod with lascannon or mortar or something on it. now put all 3 models on a 65mm base, you see they all fit in a way that makes a circle, so while playing the game you put them in that form and simply round the edges, allow your openent a few lenient Gr and youll be okay.

For the record, im only putting one guy on my new heavy weapon squads, and using the other for modeling on bases for vendettas and as extra guardsmen.

ImpGuardPanzies wrote:Dog, i have surpassed this problem. Bare with me and my shoes for a second

You have extra 25mm bases, put a guy with lasgun on two, but a bipod with lascannon or mortar or something on it. now put all 3 models on a 65mm base, you see they all fit in a way that makes a circle, so while playing the game you put them in that form and simply round the edges, allow your openent a few lenient Gr and youll be okay.

For the record, im only putting one guy on my new heavy weapon squads, and using the other for modeling on bases for vendettas and as extra guardsmen.

Works for me!

I'll be interested to see your Valkyrie Dioramas, btw. Will you be posting them to the gallery?

DoW

This thread has lots of good ideas haha i am going to steal the missile launcher on shoulder idea!

Conservation of models only get's you so far. I find that if you want to conserver models, eventually you find that your army just doens't look right. IMO, if you are trying to gain extra dudes, just place the empty bases in the squad until you can afford the proper figures. The only time having the right ones will matter is in a tournament, but having the wrong ones (one guy on a 60mm base) will matter then too. IMO, if you're going to Proxy, it may as well be a bad proxy. Hell, just use Green Army men on Coins.

ImpGuardPanzies wrote:So basicly i could put one guardsman with a lascannon on, and put the other dude with a lasgun on a compleatly different base? Nice, thats what im doing. Ive also got 3 extra 65mm bases, but no base for the lascannon turret, would it look okay to put a guardsman Carrying! a lascannon on a 65mm base? or should i prop it on a mortar base?

no you cannot do this, the team is a 2 wound model representing a weapons team, the "loader" cannot do anything, also the rules state models should be put on the base they come with, heavy weapons teams come with one large base no small ones.

I use one guardsman with the heavy weapon on the large base. I leave enough room on the large base for another figure if needed.
Even with only one guardsman the whole model still represents a 2 wound heavy weapons team.

Ailaros wrote:a heavy weapon team is a two wound model armed with a heavy weapon.

How you choose to represent that is up to you, but no way that you represent it will actually change the rules.

Actually I feel like that's a bad way to say it. If it has 2 wounds then it can be instant deathed.
It's actually 2 different models that work together to fire 1 heavy weapon, although if one of them ides the other can still fire it.

You've missed that the rules would still be the same: instant death would kill the other "model" as well, as in reality , ruleswise they are a single model.

IT doesnt matter from that perspective (only) whether you model it as 1 or a 1000 models: one failed ID causing wound removes any and all models associated with that HWT

I have mine modeled on the larger base like this

one id attached to the base with the heavy weapon. then i have room to put a second model on the base which is on his normal 25mm base. then when the HWT takes a wound i take the extra model off the base.

so that way its easy to track wounds on the model, and when counting fire its distinct.

Soulx wrote:

Ailaros wrote:a heavy weapon team is a two wound model armed with a heavy weapon.

How you choose to represent that is up to you, but no way that you represent it will actually change the rules.

Actually I feel like that's a bad way to say it. If it has 2 wounds then it can be instant deathed.
It's actually 2 different models that work together to fire 1 heavy weapon, although if one of them ides the other can still fire it.

No its not, its 2 models combined into a two wound model and can be ID'd. Using 2 models is breaking the rules.

Ya, ok. Thanks guys, im putting one on my bases and leaving room for another, and it its realy a problem durring a tourney and they wont let me but a chick with a lasgun on a 25 mml base ontop of the 65 THEN ILL BREAK HIM FROM THE BASE AND GLE HIM BACK ON LATER!!! problem solved no? feet are easy to get off.


AND as soon as i get the conversion pack for the vendetta and paiint it, ill post pictures, ill let you know when i do.