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Here is a list that I have been using at my local store.

I am looking to find out if there is anything that could be changed to make this more affective, so far i am 2 wins 2 draws and 2 loses.

HQ

Dante 225pts

Librarian, Jump Pack, Blood Lance, Shield of Sanguinius 125pts

Honour Guard, 4 Meltaguns, Jump Packs 205pts

Troops

Sanguinary Guard, 3 Power Fists, 2 Infernus Pistols, Chapter Banner 280pts (Dantes Team)

Sanguinary Guard, 1 Power Fist, 2 Infernus Pistols, Death Masks 255pts

Sanguinary Guard, 1 Power Fist, 2 Infernus Pistols 230pts

10 Assault Marines, 2 Melta Guns, Power Fist, Melta Bomb 240pts

Elites

5 Stern Guard, 2 Melta Guns, 3 Combi-Meltas, Drop Pod, Locator Beacon 195pts

Sanguinary Priest, Infernus Pistol, Jump Pack 90pts (Dantes Team)

Sanguinary Priest, Power Sword, Jump Pack 90pts (Assault Marines)

Sanguinary Priest, Infernus Pistol 65pts (Stern Guard)

The way this list has worked so far is Dante and his doom squad drop in with a Priest they dont scatter so i choose armour to use the infernus pistols and the priest helps them stay, the drop pod turns up close to enermy armour and blows a hole init.

On the second turn the Sanguinary Guards drop within 6inch and get the Preists save who is in the Stern Guard.

The Assault Marines are combat squarded and one unit heads for armour transporters claiming objectives and the other with the power fist and priest are also on objective claiming duites.

The Lib and Honour Guard do there thing and hunter anything also dropping in either around the drop pod so they dont scatter.

Any comments or suggestions thank you.

Well. It's a pretty cool looking "doom wing" I just think you're spending a whole heck of a lot points for certain things (Honor Guard Squad, Sternguard)

I bet the only losses or draws you had were thanks to getting shot to pieces and not having the troops left over to hold objectives or gain KPs.

I can only say skim down some stuff and take Regular Assualt Marines!!!!! The Blood Angels are the only people allowed to take Assault Marines as troop choice! Make use of it!! Why not have Dante attached to a great squad of 11 (assault + priest) and have them deep strike perfectly?

Sanguinary Guard are super cool, but I think x3 PF, x2 Infernus pistol is a little extreme for a 5 man squad to go with Dante, He would most likely be better of deep striking a reg assault squad, add infernus pistols, meltaguns, and power fists still. Just you get x10 bodies instead of x5

The single Drop Pod doesn't fit the list as it will come down first turn maybe score some damage and then the Sternguard will die. Rest is pretty cool though.

I agree with mercer. At 2k a single sternguard squad won't survive against a really effective army. I would also drop the death masks and chapter banner. I also agree that you don't need 3 power fists in one sanguinary guard squad, 2 max.

The sternguard dont need to survive. They need to kill a tank and then die. But lose the Locator beacon, because the pod usually wont survive, so its not worth it.


I like the list. I would drop a lot of the accessories on things. Drop the priest that hangs with the Sternguard. Hes useless. Drop the meltabomb on the assault sgt. Dump 2 PF's in Dantes team. The IPistols could stay or go, Im a big fan of stock Sang Guard (save for 1 PF on occasion).

If you have 20 pts, I would recommend 4 flamers added to the Honor Guard for horde control.

Add a Chaplain with JP if you can and attach to Dantes unit.

If you must have shield on the Libby, then drop Lance and add Sword. That is a much more reliable AT power than lance. YES, lance can take out multiple vehicles, but you're only doing one hit per vehicle. Sword will almost guarantee that you destroy one vehicle per turn that you assault.


Overall, these types of lists are REALLY fun to play. Its fun to watch your opponents face as you deep strike 25 2+ sv Jump marines with PWeaps on their flank and just destroy that whole flank while only losing 2-3 models.

I know what the Sternguard are for and that's 195 points wasted, well done, awesome. Very bad use of points and a unit just because they get cheap meltas.

I had a similar idea when the codex was publicated.

HQ - Dante. 225
.....- Honour Guard - Priest - 4x SS - 4x Meltaguns - 4x LC - JP. 345
HQ - Librarian - JP. 125
EL - Priest - JP. 75
EL - Priest - JP. 75
TR - Sanguinary Guard - 2x Infernus Pistols - 2x PF. 240
TR - Sanguinary Guard - 2x Infernus Pistols - 2x PF. 240
TR - Sanguinary Guard - 2x Infernus Pistols - 2x PF. 240
TR - 10x Assault Marines - 2x Flamers - Power Weapon - Melta Bombs. 220
TR - 10x Assault Marines - 2x Flamers - Power Weapon. 215
Tot. 2000

Of course not the best optimized list but playable and very good looking on the table.

Toban in your list why the chaplain instead of a libby? Why re-rolls to hit on the charge vs re-rolls to hit every round of combat + a potential coversave (or bloodlance)?

You're right.

That's just the list I wrote at the first sight of the codex when it has been pubblished.

I just copied / pasted the old list.

Edited.

Toban, your honor guard have one too many weapons on each guy. You must choose, a MG and a SS, a MG and a LC, or a SS and a LC for each dude, they cant have all three.

I have just played a game and found i need some more assault marines i am thinking of droping the stern guard, pod and their priest for another unit of assault marines and also then looking to drop one unit Sanguinary guard for some van guard vets?

How would i load the vets out as i have never used them before or go for 2 units of van guard vets and not take another unit f assault mairnes?

Go 1 unit of 10 and split them into combat squads. Go with 4 powerfists and nothing else. Split 2 fists into each 5 man unit. Be sure to declare Heroic intervention when you deep strike. Smash into some transports so your Sang Guard can get at the tasty treats inside. Youll need 400 pts for that unit of 10.

Caboose wrote:Toban, your honor guard have one too many weapons on each guy. You must choose, a MG and a SS, a MG and a LC, or a SS and a LC for each dude, they cant have all three.

That's not true.

The specifical Honour Sq. entry say:
Any Hnour Guard can replace his Bolter, Chainsword AND/or Bolt Pistol with:

They're Veterans. They can have 3 option just like the standard setup that include 3 items. Bolter, Bolt Pistol and Chainsword.

Toban wrote:

Caboose wrote:Toban, your honor guard have one too many weapons on each guy. You must choose, a MG and a SS, a MG and a LC, or a SS and a LC for each dude, they cant have all three.

That's not true.

The specifical Honour Sq. entry say:
Any Hnour Guard can replace his Bolter, Chainsword AND/or Bolt Pistol with:

They're Veterans. They can have 3 option just like the standard setup that include 3 items. Bolter, Bolt Pistol and Chainsword.

Look again at the Honor Guard entry in the Blood Angels codex. Their basic wargear states: "Power Armour, Boltgun OR Bolt Pistol, Chainsword, Frag and Krak Grenades, The Sanguinary Novitiate also has a Blood Chalice"

This means that when you purchase them you must select a Boltgun or Bolt Pistol, hence you only get two, therefore you may only ever replace either your Boltgun or your Bolt Pistol (whichever you selected), and/or your Chainsword.

The Dawnflyer wrote:Look again at the Honor Guard entry in the Blood Angels codex. Their basic wargear states: "Power Armour, Boltgun OR Bolt Pistol, Chainsword, Frag and Krak Grenades, The Sanguinary Novitiate also has a Blood Chalice"

This means that when you purchase them you must select a Boltgun or Bolt Pistol, hence you only get two, therefore you may only ever replace either your Boltgun or your Bolt Pistol (whichever you selected), and/or your Chainsword.

QFT!

Thanks for getting my back.

Well, so I'm wrong. Sry

But now please confirm me that isn't the same for the Command sq. from the Vanilla codex where, in fact, they can be equipped with a shooting weapon, a SS and a LC.

Everything riding a bike...

yeah so you replace the bolt pistol and chainsword with a meltagun and flamer...

Yes, in C:SM a command squad can just add a Storm Shield to each model in addition to one weapon in each hand. Seems kind of excessive there.

This is a list I used last night and it worked very well, dropped the stern guard and one unit of sang for another unit of assault marines and some van guard vets, I used this last night and the vets did better than my sternguard did, here's how the list looks now, is takin 10 more assault marines better than 5 sang guard??

Dante 225pts

Librarian, Jump Pack, Blood Lance, Shield of Sanguinius 125pts

Honour Guard, 4 Meltaguns, 4 Flamers, Jump Packs 225pts

Sanguinary Guard, 2 Power Fists, 2 Infernus Pistols, Chapter Banner 270pts (Dantes Team)

Sanguinary Guard, 2 Power Fist, 2 Infernus Pistols 240pts

10 Assault Marines, 2 Melta Guns, Power Fist, Melta Bomb 235pts

10 Assault Marines, 2 Melta Guns, Power Fist, Melta Bomb 235pts

Sanguinary Priest, Infernus Pistol, Jump Pack 90pts (Dantes Team)

Sanguinary Priest, Power Sword, Jump Pack 90pts (Assault Marines)

5 Vanguard Vets, Jump Packs, 4 Powerswords, 1 Persists, 5 Meltabombs 260pts

Thank you for all your replies

Priest doesn't need a power weap or infact any wargear as they will be the first to die in combat with wounds allocated to them. Akimbo Honour Guard is cool but you're using either the flamers or the meltaguns so one weapon will always be wasted; I'd probably just go mass single specials only.