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A situation came up recently at my local game store and I was wondering what the consensus here would be.

Issue: Whether or not an independent character who had joined a squad and both are fearless would have to take a separate armor save, apart from the squad since independent characters are considered separate units, if they lost in close combat?

Fact: An independent character had joined a squad and both were assaulted by an enemy unit. After close combat rolls were done the independent character and the unit lost close combat by 2. Would the squad take 2 armor saves and the independent character take 2 armor saves since according to the rules, independent characters are considered separate in close combat?

inquisitor_bob wrote:A situation came up recently at my local game store and I was wondering what the consensus here would be.

Issue: Whether or not an independent character who had joined a squad and both are fearless would have to take a separate armor save, apart from the squad since independent characters are considered separate units, if they lost in close combat?

Fact: An independent character had joined a squad and both were assaulted by an enemy unit. After close combat rolls were done the independent character and the unit lost close combat by 2. Would the squad take 2 armor saves and the independent character take 2 armor saves since according to the rules, independent characters are considered separate in close combat?

no, they're counted as the same unit so they don't roll separately. they fight as two separate units because the rules specifically ADD that exception to the close combat attacking rules; there is no exception like that in the no retreat rules so they find as one unit. if you didn't specifically attach the IC to the squad and they both independently charged and lost (and were both fearless), they'd have to separately take the armor saves.

The IC is only considered a separate unit until attacks are resolved. It wins or loses the assault with the joined unit. You do get to use its Ld (assuming it is higher).

Homer

If he is part of the unit I would say no.

He'd have to fall back with the entire unit if they weren't fearless so I would say that you allocate wounds to the squad as normal.

inquisitor_bob wrote:
Fact: An independent character had joined a squad and both were assaulted by an enemy unit. After close combat rolls were done the independent character and the unit lost close combat by 2. Would the squad take 2 armor saves and the independent character take 2 armor saves since according to the rules, independent characters are considered separate in close combat?

The rules state the IC counts fully as part of the unit again for combat resolution, and 'No Retreat' is part of combat resolution.

Everyone, thank you for the quick replies.

I'll definitely look in the rulebook and mark that page.