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Say you have two wolf lords joined to a squad of fenrisian wolves. At the beginning of the opponents turn, the unit consists of 2 IC's (Wolf Lords) and 10 Fenrisian Wolves. However during the shooting phase, all the fenrisian wolves are killed. Are the two wolf lords still in the same unit until the beginning of the owning players turn? Or is the unit disbanded as soon as the last fenrisian wolf holding them together is removed?

Theyre stil in the same unit.

ICs can join each other as well, page 48

How can an IC join another IC when I thought they could never join units that always only consisted of 1 model?

Kevin949 wrote:How can an IC join another IC when I thought they could never join units that always only consisted of 1 model?

This is correct....IC's cannot join units consisting of 1 model but they can join other IC's.

what this rule does is prevent an IC from joining a 1 model unit that is not an IC.

Wouldn't they automatically separate if they're no longer in coherency? Not necessarily the case, but there's a decent chance they wouldn't be.

I believe an IC can only leave a unit in their own movement phase. Thus they would be one unit even if out of coherency. In the movement phase they could either move back together or one could break off at that point.

Kevin949 wrote:How can an IC join another IC when I thought they could never join units that always only consisted of 1 model?

The IC rules specify that they can join other ICs.

Additionally, IC's are not 'units that always consist of one model' since they can join other units.

insaniak wrote:
The IC rules specify that they can join other ICs.

I agree with this. (obviously)

Additionally, IC's are not 'units that always consist of one model' since they can join other units.

But I don't agree with this. Most IC's are always a unit of one model, but they can later join another unit.

Or can an IC join a Hive tyrant, since the HT can join another unit??

Melchiour wrote:In the movement phase they could either move back together or one could break off at that point.

I don't actually believe that's true. Anytime a unit is out of coherency, its movement must attempt to bring it back into coherency. They're still one unit, so any movement they do would have to be towards each other. Maybe I'm reading too much into this though.

However, at the end of the movement phase, if they are out of coherency, then they would be separate (as that is written in the rules).

I agree with the core concept; as the rules specifically allow for ICs to join one another, I believe the two ICs would still count as being a unit until and unless they separated in their own movement phase; this means that the ICs take a single Morale test for the shooting casualties at the end of that phase in which the wolves died.

somerandomdude wrote:

Melchiour wrote:In the movement phase they could either move back together or one could break off at that point.

I don't actually believe that's true. Anytime a unit is out of coherency, its movement must attempt to bring it back into coherency. They're still one unit, so any movement they do would have to be towards each other. Maybe I'm reading too much into this though.

However, at the end of the movement phase, if they are out of coherency, then they would be separate (as that is written in the rules).

The IC rules state that an IC can leave a unit simply by moving out of coherency with it. Usually you move a unit all at once, and broken coherency forces them to move to restore it. But the ICs rules are more specific and allow you to activate one of those ICs to detach him, and move him however you like, so long as he ends that move out of coherency with the unit he was previously joined to (in this case, that other IC).

Thanks for clearing it up guys, I was misinformed by one of the veteran players at my local gaming store about IC's joining each other.

Ok, what happens when you have an IC and a unit that is reduced to 1 model?

Jaon wrote:Ok, what happens when you have an IC and a unit that is reduced to 1 model?

You have a 2 model unit, one of which is an IC.

Unless the IC is the one model you meant.

Jaon wrote:Ok, what happens when you have an IC and a unit that is reduced to 1 model?

Absolutely nothing, as the remaining model isnt a "unit that always consists of one model"

Interesting question then - while a character is part of a unit that is falling back he can't leave it, and if the unit is under 50% it can't rally (putting aside ATSKNF and such). What happens if two characters are joined to a single which is wiped out, the characters are forced to take a Morale check and fail, and then fall back together? Do they remain part of the deceased unit (and as such are forced to remain in fall back for being 'under 50%' despite both modls being ICs)?

They stop being part of the unit at their next movement phase*, so they would fall back one more time and then have a chance to rally.


*you're definitely not in coherency with them....

somerandomdude wrote:I don't actually believe that's true. Anytime a unit is out of coherency, its movement must attempt to bring it back into coherency. They're still one unit, so any movement they do would have to be towards each other. Maybe I'm reading too much into this though.

There was an extensive discussion on this some time ago. What it boils down to is that the coherency rules don't specify that the unit has to move back together, just that they have to move so that coherency is restored in their next movement phase.

If the IC moves far enough away to leave the unit, at the point where you check coherency (which is after the unit has finished moving) he is no longer a part of the unit... so coherency is restored.

This came up in a game of apocalypse recently, where a Green Tide was joined by no less than 7 (!) Warbosses and Ghazkhull. (The green tide was mainly the result of 6 boxes of AoBR, hence the number of Warbosses + one metal one). After wandering up the battlefield, the Tide was reduced to just the 8 bosses. Took us a few minutes to work out that yes; the Warbosses were still a unit, albeit a dead-killy one.