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Hey guys.
I'm currently bidding on some preslotta miniatures on ebay (mostly for old-school factor) and I was wondering how they compared to the newer Citadel miniatures.
Here's an example of some of the preslotta models:
http://www.collecting-citadel-miniatures.com/wiki/index.php/Dark_Elves_-_C09_%28solid_base%29

I figured that since they already have a base, putting a plastic base on them would make them a bit taller, but you never know. If anyone would be able to post pictures, that'd be fantastic.

Thanks, and take it easy.

-Vlad

:edit: I just won a bunch of preslottas in a listing, you can see them here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rt=nc&nma=true&item=280627704047&si=syJxuhIu2YD8uOJ879ddBQZVN1M%253D&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT

If people wouldn't mind helping me identify them, that'd be fantastic. Thanks!

If you put them onto a slotta base they will probably stand head to head with the current ranges.

GW used a smaller, more accurate to 25mm scale back then.

The early figures were not "heroic".

chromedog wrote:If you put them onto a slotta base they will probably stand head to head with the current ranges.

GW used a smaller, more accurate to 25mm scale back then.

Ok, that's good to know.

The early figures were not "heroic".

Not an entirely big deal, but I figured they'd look cool as unit champions. I may actually end up buying enough of these guys just to make small (500 pt) armies so that my friends and I can play.

man, those are some UGLY models. But if you decide to get some, I would recommend getting just a couple to start to see the scale difference. Based on how RT marines look next to current range marines, they are alot smaller by comparison.

maybe post the results when you get them.

Titanbravo wrote:man, those are some UGLY models. But if you decide to get some, I would recommend getting just a couple to start to see the scale difference. Based on how RT marines look next to current range marines, they are alot smaller by comparison.

maybe post the results when you get them.

Well, I'm planning on putting them on bases so they should work.
And yeah the RT models were pretty small too, I'm expecting these guys to be about the same height when I put them on a plastic base.

Well I won a bid on a gak-ton of the preslottas. A lot of them seem to be RAFM, but they were under the Citadel branch so I -should- be able to use them in the GW haha

Hopefully this picture works
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?VISuperSize&item=280627704047
If not, here was the actual listing: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rt=nc&nma=true&item=280627704047&si=syJxuhIu2YD8uOJ879ddBQZVN1M%253D&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT

I've identified a couple of them as Chaos warriors, would anyone else be able to help?

No matter if they are 'ugly' or not, a lot of them have real character to them. Plus I was able to get them pretty cheap. I'm attempting to set up a Mordheim campaign at my college and most of it is coming out of my own money. So I'm being a little thrifty, but that many models for 23 bucks including shipping is pretty good, especially as I'm looking for variation. I'm probs gonna have some of the players purchase some empire state troops and other stuff so that we can also do warband campaigns for funsies.

I will also be using them for 2nd edition WFRP and possibly also D&D so these guys are gonna get a lot of use. Also keep in mind that some of them have paint on them. I paint to a pretty good standard (you can check my gallery- wink wink nudge nudge please vote lol )so I'm not too worried.

Well I agree that the price is an awesome deal, I still would be interested to know how they look next to todays minis.

Throwing one or two in a unit would add some distinctness to the unit. I still think the size difference is gonna be quite different.

using them for double(or triple) duty with WFRP and DnD definitely the millage out of them though.

Don't take my "ugly" comment too harshly, I think most things are ugly. IE anything with the word Catachan in it thats not Straken or Harker.

I'd say once you get them take some close up pics of 1-3 at a time and post them in a clearly-titled so we can get a good look. People like playing "identify this mini".

Titanbravo wrote:Well I agree that the price is an awesome deal, I still would be interested to know how they look next to todays minis.

Throwing one or two in a unit would add some distinctness to the unit. I still think the size difference is gonna be quite different.

using them for double(or triple) duty with WFRP and DnD definitely the millage out of them though.

Don't take my "ugly" comment too harshly, I think most things are ugly. IE anything with the word Catachan in it thats not Straken or Harker.

I don't know if I have any current miniatures with me tbh. I may have a friend pick some up for comparison.

And nah, I don't take "ugly' comments harshly at all. In my painting log thread, the very first comment had someone calling my old Chaos Terminators "butt ugly" or something to that effect.
(Edit: they were called, and I quote, "gawd awful" haha. No offense to the dude who posted that if he's reading this, I just thought it was funny)
So certainly not offended hehe

@Mannahnin- Definitely will do when I get them. They're being shipped from the UK so it may be a week or so. I'll also have won some more minis by then so we can have a mini-identifying party.
(I also happened to have won a Chaos Lord in another auction, I checked SoL and he has the most epic name ever- Baron Metalmane.
http://www.solegends.com/citcomp3/citcomp3038-01.htm (2nd row, in the middle) He's gonna make a sweet Chaos Lord, haha


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Finally, a small yet funny anecdote:
Through all of my research, I came to the conclusion that Chaos' perceived "broken" factor, even back in the 80's, is a direct result of GW's owner at the time (Bryan Ansell) owning a Chaos army.
It's kinda funny really, Chaos was so much better than all of the other races (hell, their "worst" troop, the Chaos Thug, had stats that equalled human elites, and a single Chaos Warrior could very successfully take on pretty much any Hero with an okay chance of winning). In all honesty, it's almost worse than today where you have the Imperial Space Marines getting tons of gak because they make a lot of money.
TL;DR: Bryan Ansell made Chaos as powerful as possible 'cause they were his favorite army. Kinda like Jervis making the Dark Angels super awesome....oh wait.

Count Metalmane? Nice! A lot of these old models hae a lot of character.

Look at the citadel early catalouge pages at solegends.com for help in your quest to identify these figures.

They are not far off but nowhere near the 'heroic' scale of modern '28mm'.

Problem with some of these really old figures is the lead content, I have a heap of pre slotta stuff and they've all corroded to hell and crumble to bits in your hands.

Howard A Treesong wrote:
Problem with some of these really old figures is the lead content, I have a heap of pre slotta stuff and they've all corroded to hell and crumble to bits in your hands.

Dang, that sucks. Is there any way to prevent that? Or are they just "ticking time bombs" so to speak.

I think if you seal them in varnish or a type of lacquer then you prevent them reacting with the air. Once they go black they are heading for the point of no return. This 'rot' seems to affect some models and not others, I assume it's down to different alloy contents in individual models. Some will go black and crumble while others will remain shiny and clean yet they are all n the same box and are the same age, around 30 years old.

Howard A Treesong wrote:I think if you seal them in varnish or a type of lacquer then you prevent them reacting with the air. Once they go black they are heading for the point of no return. This 'rot' seems to affect some models and not others, I assume it's down to different alloy contents in individual models. Some will go black and crumble while others will remain shiny and clean yet they are all n the same box and are the same age, around 30 years old.

Wow, the more you know...

So after priming them and painting them, it'd be best to seal them?

Looking at the pictures, none of them look like they're going black so that's good. These are all presumably from 83-84 so almost 30 years old. But until I get them primed I'm going to store them in an airtight lid so that nothing bad happens.

The face on this model (at your first link, not the auction) is giving me the shivers...



Makes me appreciate the current abilities of the molding/modelling industry much more, though

RiTides wrote:The face on this model (at your first link, not the auction) is giving me the shivers...

http://www.collecting-citadel-miniatures.com/wiki/images/thumb/5/56/C09-06.jpg/360px-C09-06.jpg

Makes me appreciate the current abilities of the molding/modelling industry much more, though

Haha, I was wondering when you were going to show up and comment.
Yeah I certainly realize that the current models have a ton more detail and they look less awkward, however I've always been enamored by the old models and I can't explain why, other than the fact that I find them fascinating.
Also I should note gave myself around 50 bucks to spend on eBay stuff, then that's it as I want to save my money for Spring Break and other fun stuffs. I already blew through most of it by getting the Chaos Lord and the preslotta lot so now I'm being pretty careful with my funds currently!

I, too, love old models! I think they have tons of character. However, it wasn't even on my radar that this old of models even really existed.

I picked up some Ral Partha dwarves riding on goats to send to someone on here, and they say 1994 on the base. I thought I was hopping in the time machine for that but I'm guessing that these are around a decade earlier than that, at least?

RiTides wrote:I, too, love old models! I think they have tons of character. However, it wasn't even on my radar that this old of models even really existed.

Yeah dude, old models are where it's at! Funnily enough,I wasn't even really aware of preslottas until the past couple of weeks. It's funny, I always thought there were slotta bases.

I picked up some Ral Partha dwarves riding on goats to send to someone on here, and they say 1994 on the base. I thought I was hopping in the time machine for that but I'm guessing that these are around a decade earlier than that, at least?

At least a decade earlier at the very earliest. I'm pretty sure that most of the preslottas are at least 1983 or earlier. Which is pretty crazy when you think about how far miniatures have come. Kind of like cellphones, really.

It'll be cool to have the distinction of playing with models that are at least a decade older than me.

When GW changed to slottabases, what they did was put the same scale models (28mm but not "Heroic") onto slotty things.

I had this Dark Elf set, back in the day. There were also some nice Lizard Riders with it.

I sold the lot a few years ago. I don't think they are bad looking models.

The only one of the other lot I can identify is the knight with double-bladed axe in the middle of the last pic. He was part of a Knights of King Arthur boxed set, if I remember correctly.

GW Quality
Those of us who are old enough to be aware that companies such as Tamiya were producing highly detailed plastic figures over 30 years ago, are not as impressed by GW's modern figures as the youngsters.

In fact those of us who are old enough to remember Frog kits from the 1950s, are somewhat disappointed that it has taken GW 30 years to move beyond that level of quality.

I would suggest the best way is to really know your stuff then pick up big mini collections on eBay and wargames shows and other listings and then sort out the good stuff. Do you know what the valuable miniatures are? The problem with buying small quantities off people is that you'll have to offer them very little to ensure you can sell them on at a good deal yourself and make any money overall, and if you offer low prices people may well ask why they should just eBay stuff themselves. Also I don't think you will do so well on eBay as there are a lot of people selling 2nd hand figures and they aren't fussy about the amount they get because they are pulling them out of an old cupboard and not trying to make a profit on having just purchased them. Wargames shows are a good place to sell because it's not an auction and you are selling by hand. The customers you will be getting will be those going to events looking to buy and many will not venture onto eBay and want to see the product and the trader in the flesh. I'm sure people are happier to pay more when they are holding the product, on eBay people want stuff for nothing.

Howard A Treesong wrote:I would suggest the best way is to really know your stuff then pick up big mini collections on eBay and wargames shows and other listings and then sort out the good stuff. Do you know what the valuable miniatures are? The problem with buying small quantities off people is that you'll have to offer them very little to ensure you can sell them on at a good deal yourself and make any money overall, and if you offer low prices people may well ask why they should just eBay stuff themselves. Also I don't think you will do so well on eBay as there are a lot of people selling 2nd hand figures and they aren't fussy about the amount they get because they are pulling them out of an old cupboard and not trying to make a profit on having just purchased them. Wargames shows are a good place to sell because it's not an auction and you are selling by hand. The customers you will be getting will be those going to events looking to buy and many will not venture onto eBay and want to see the product and the trader in the flesh. I'm sure people are happier to pay more when they are holding the product, on eBay people want stuff for nothing.

Very good advice, consider it taken. : )
I'm getting a good idea of some of the more valuable miniatures just through me trolling through listings, so that's good. Currently I'm just picking out stuff that I think looks cool (like some of the older Chaos Warriors) but other than that I am still getting a handle on the more rare stuffs.

@ KK- Thanks for the id on the knights of the round table model, good stuff. : )

I also find it funny that Tamiya was ahead 30 years ago with plastics...go figure haha