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Hey there. This is my pretty much finished 2000 points list, I'm hoping for some critical input. I'm testing a Valkyrie because of my recent realization that the Vendetta can't shoot all three guns on the turn it comes in from reserves. If I can find the points, I'd like to add a plasma pistol to my commander, and add an astropath for flexibility and killiness. I was thinking dropping the lascannons on the Vanilla Russes and the Heavy Bolters on the Valkyrie to do this.

HQ:
Company Command Squad
-4x Plasma Gun
-Chimera (Hull Heavy Flamer)
175 pts

Troops:
Veterans
-3x Meltaguns
-Chimera (Hull Heavy Flamer)
155 pts

Veterans
-3x Plasma Guns
-Chimera (Hull Heavy Flamer)
170 pts

Veterans
-3x Plasma Guns
-Chimera (Hull Heavy Flamer)
170 pts

Veterans
-3x Melta Guns
-Chimera (Hull Heavy Flamer)
155 pts

Veterans
-3x Melta Guns
100 pts

Fast Attack:
Vendetta
130 pts

Valkyrie
-Multiple Rocket Pods
-Heavy Bolters
140 pts

Hellhound (Squad)
-Smoke
-Hull Multimelta
150 pts

Hellhound (Squad)
-Hull Multimelta
145 pts

Heavy Support:
Leman Russ Battle Tank
-Hull Lascannon
165 pts

Leman Russ Battle Tank
-Hull Lascannon
165 pts

Leman Russ Demolisher
-Hull Lascannon
180 pts

Grand Total: 2000 points

DakkaDakka wrote:

Che-Vito wrote:Thoughts:Melta Foot Vets - why unmechanized? If they're objective holders then drop the Melta. If they're meant to go in the Valk, then you might as well give them a Demo Charge for the fun of it

Yeah, they're meant to go into the Valkyrie. Demolitions is 30 points, though.

Che-Vito wrote:Hellhounds - Get smoke for both of them! Because it's a squadron of 2, you can smoke one and then the other on the next turn. Two turns of 4+ for 5 points?!? Yes please!

5 points I don't have...

Che-Vito wrote:LR Demolisher - depending on the terrain, you may have trouble getting this into place...especially considering the slower speed of a LRBT. If you're looking for anti-armor, the codex has better options, for fewer points (another Vendetta, Hyrda Flak Tanks, the Melta Hellhound). If you're looking for Termie-killers, then try the LR Executioner. If you want some anti-infantry, the codex has better options for fewer points (any of the Ordinance Batteries, Manticores, LR Punishers, etc.).

Again, points restrictions, otherwise I would love to field an Executioner, it seems like a ton of fun. It's mainly a deterrent, going after tanks, TEQ, whatever it wants to kill.

Keep in mind, for heavy support, my model pool consists of: 2 Leman Russes, 1 Demolisher, 1 Manticore, 1 Basilisk. I recently dropped the Manticore in favor of the Demolisher to see if it can prove its worth. The Manticore was just too fragile and unpredictable the last 5 or so games I have had with it. I want to test the viability of AV14 redundancy.

My thoughts on this list:

Gavo wrote:
HQ:
Company Command Squad
-4x Plasma Gun
-Chimera (Hull Heavy Flamer)
175 pts

I like this, very solid. If you do find points Carapace is well worth it here.

Gavo wrote:Troops:
2xVeterans
-3x Meltaguns
-Chimera (Hull Heavy Flamer)
155 pts

2xVeterans
-3x Plasma Guns
-Chimera (Hull Heavy Flamer)
170 pts

Veterans
-3x Melta Guns
100 pts

Melta Vet Squads in Chimeras are always great too have, very solid choice. Plasma are as well, but I tend to do a 2:1 ratio Melta to Plasma due to the overheat issue and point cost. With your current setup you have 10 PG and 6 MG (in Chimeras). I would change one of the Plasma's to Meltas.

I understand that you do have another Vet Squad in a Vendetta/Valkyrie, and while I do field them as you have done I tend to ensure there is another CCS nearby for orders. You cant assault if you DS, and unless you are going for an Alpha Strike attack with the vet squad, most of the game they will do nothing. You are essentially paying 100 points for a squad to sit in a vehicle and do a last turn capture/contest if the transport is still alive.

I think that you could get away with dropping the last Vet Squad all together. This would give you a few more points to play with. If you trully want a sacrificial unit you can play that way I would go with a Storm Trooper Squad. For 5 more points you get 1 less Melta, but reliable DS with a re-roll on the scatter. Doing so also free's up your fast movers to actually shoot primarily and move only if needed.

My suggestion is drop the last Vet Squad, change one of the Plasma Vet Squads to Melta and call it a day for Troops. With 5 troops in vehicles you should be ok for objective games.

Gavo wrote:
Fast Attack:
Vendetta
130 pts

Valkyrie
-Multiple Rocket Pods
-Heavy Bolters
140 pts

I would drop the HB. Also I really think you should deploy these, very few if any times have I really felt that I should have deep struck them. Also Vendetta > Valkyrie in this list as you have very little ranged anti-tank.

Gavo wrote:
Hellhound (Squad)
-Smoke
-Hull Multimelta
150 pts

Hellhound (Squad)
-Hull Multimelta
145 pts

Solid

Gavo wrote:Heavy Support:
Leman Russ Battle Tank
-Hull Lascannon
165 pts

Leman Russ Battle Tank
-Hull Lascannon
165 pts

Leman Russ Demolisher
-Hull Lascannon
180 pts

Drop all the LC's. With those points you can get your Executioner. And single shot weapons do not really do well next to blast weapons. If you are shooting your Battle Tanks at vehicles you really should swap one of them out for a Vendetta.

Gavo wrote:
Grand Total: 2000 points

So what I would do is this:

-Vet Squad on foot/Vendetta/Valkyrie +100
-Change 3xPG to 3xMG in Vet Squad +15
-Change the Valkyrie to Vendetta, drop HB's. +20
-Drop the LC's on the Tanks +45
-Change one of the MG in a Vet Squad to Flamer OR drop Smoke on the Hell Hounds +5

+Get a Storm Trooper 2xMG squad -105
+Change one of the LRBT to Executioner -40
+Get Plasma Sponsons on Executioner -40

GL

Grix.

Hey, looking good. 50 scoring squishies, 7 transports, 5 solid support tanks - nice.

To get that astopath I'd drop the hull multi-melta's off the hellhounds - you've got plenty of AT. Then I'd trade the HB's on the valk for the commander's plasma pistol.

Changed the list, see below. Anyone know what I can spend 5 points on?

HQ:
Company Command Squad
-Plasma Pistol
-4x Plasma Gun
-Astropath
-Chimera (Hull Heavy Flamer)
205 pts

Troops:
Veterans
-3x Meltaguns
-Chimera (Hull Heavy Flamer)
155 pts

Veterans
-3x Plasma Guns
-Chimera (Hull Heavy Flamer)
170 pts

Veterans
-3x Plasma Guns
-Chimera (Hull Heavy Flamer)
170 pts

Veterans
-3x Melta Guns
-Chimera (Hull Heavy Flamer)
155 pts

Veterans
-3x Melta Guns
100 pts

Fast Attack:
Vendetta
130 pts

Valkyrie
-Multiple Rocket Pods
130 pts

Hellhound (Squad)
-Smoke
135 pts

Hellhound (Squad)
-Smoke
135 pts

Heavy Support:
Leman Russ Battle Tank
-Hull Lascannon
165 pts

Leman Russ Battle Tank
-Hull Lascannon
165 pts

Leman Russ Demolisher
-Hull Lascannon
180 pts

Grand Total: 1995 points

No one has a response to the updated list?

I will be testing out this list Saturday, and try to post some battle reports up after that. Any other ideas on the list?

Not really. It looks pretty nice.

It's a good list I suggest taking that veteran squad out with no chimera, you should put creed with ur command squad and put vox casters in every squad so you can re roll

Jordankeeps wrote:It's a good list I suggest taking that veteran squad out with no chimera, you should put creed with ur command squad and put vox casters in every squad so you can re roll

No offense, this is pretty terrible advice. My army is completely mechanized, and squads inside transports cannot recieve orders. Creed is really only good in massive points games with a very strong foot army. The foot squad goes in the Valkyrie at the moment.

Well its pretty good adivce speically when i got more points then you and been playing Ig for ages, but hey what eves, im just saying i can beat that list easy so becareful

5 points? Give your commander Melta Bombs. Might come in handy if you ever find yourself in a situation to assault a vehicle that can't be sent to the Omnissiah by rapid-firing plasmas into it.

I'd also consider swapping out a LR for a Manticore, Basilisk or Medusa, then using left over points (if any) for the little nice-to-haves.

Also, I'd prefer to take a second Vendetta instead of the Valk. You've got enough anti-horde templates, the MRP's aren't really all that good anyway, and it gives you an extra trio of twin-linked lascannon fun.

Jordankeeps wrote:Well its pretty good adivce speically when i got more points then you and been playing Ig for ages, but hey what eves, im just saying i can beat that list easy so becareful

What I'm saying is that while Creed is good, he has absolutely no place in this list. The squads I have almost never leave their chimeras, only when the chimeras die or other such circumstances. Embarked units cannot recieve orders. If they could, then Creed would be a worthwile investment. However, since we live in the land of reality, and not hypotheticals, Creed is a bad call for this list.

Just because you have more points worth of stuff than another player means absolutely nothing. Also, the red lines under words in response boxes mean spelling errors.


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papathrax wrote:5 points? Give your commander Melta Bombs. Might come in handy if you ever find yourself in a situation to assault a vehicle that can't be sent to the Omnissiah by rapid-firing plasmas into it.

Good call, I can't think of any other use for it, although if it comes to that it's pretty much game over...

papathrax wrote:I'd also consider swapping out a LR for a Manticore, Basilisk or Medusa, then using left over points (if any) for the little nice-to-haves.

I've been using a Manticore a lot, but have been disappointed by its unreliability and 10 side armor, I want to see how a triple AV 14 wall soaks fire.

papathrax wrote:Also, I'd prefer to take a second Vendetta instead of the Valk. You've got enough anti-horde templates, the MRP's aren't really all that good anyway, and it gives you an extra trio of twin-linked lascannon fun.

I was considering this, Vendettas are amazing. However, I want the flexibility of being able to move 12" and shoot, I've never used a Valkyrie before. Also, the Vendetta, when outflanking, can only shoot 1 Lascannon. (Also, the MRP are glued on and I really don't feel like switching it out )

srry dude i thought you were bieng an ass lol, but good luck with ur army list

Gavo wrote:

papathrax wrote:I'd also consider swapping out a LR for a Manticore, Basilisk or Medusa, then using left over points (if any) for the little nice-to-haves.

I've been using a Manticore a lot, but have been disappointed by its unreliability and 10 side armor, I want to see how a triple AV 14 wall soaks fire.

I've never actually used a manticore, but I like d3 s10 large blasts. I swear by basilisks and medusa's, though.
I think your current choice would soak fire quite well.

Gavo wrote:(Also, the MRP are glued on and I really don't feel like switching it out )

Fair call. I just don't think that two s4ap6 large blasts (that, lets face it, usually scatter onto your own units) is worth 130 points. maybe the hellstrike rockets? one shot only, though, and at bs3 will probably miss.

and never underestimate the power of a last-ditch effort to kill something by strapping high explosives to it.

papathrax wrote:

Gavo wrote:

papathrax wrote:I'd also consider swapping out a LR for a Manticore, Basilisk or Medusa, then using left over points (if any) for the little nice-to-haves.

I've been using a Manticore a lot, but have been disappointed by its unreliability and 10 side armor, I want to see how a triple AV 14 wall soaks fire.

I've never actually used a manticore, but I like d3 s10 large blasts. I swear by basilisks and medusa's, though.
I think your current choice would soak fire quite well.

Gavo wrote:(Also, the MRP are glued on and I really don't feel like switching it out )

Fair call. I just don't think that two s4ap6 large blasts (that, lets face it, usually scatter onto your own units) is worth 130 points. maybe the hellstrike rockets? one shot only, though, and at bs3 will probably miss.

and never underestimate the power of a last-ditch effort to kill something by strapping high explosives to it.

Good lord, Hellstrike Rockets are terrible. I want to try out the MRP because I already have a fair amount of AT, and I want to be constantly moving it 12", keeping up with my army, while my Vendetta blasts away from the backfield.

I originally got the Valks because of a misunderstanding at a GW game. I'd borrowed one, and they said that the Hellstrike was a s8ap2 large blast. Turns out it's not, but by the time I worked that out I'd already bought 4 of them.