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Okay i keep hearing about this tournament where a Vanilla Marine player wasn't allowed to play because he had Dark Angel bitz in his Army and i find that completley absurd.

Is that a legitamite reason for you to be disqualified?

Hello no. Is a bit. If I gave my soldiers Maces its a power weapon. It should not get disquailified for looking different.

No. It's counts as, as long as it is a legal army then it is fine.

How can that happen? Its ridiculous. Who ever disqualified him from the tournament, deserved to be banned from playing 40k themselves.

Using bits from other armies should be encouraged. What the point if Every Space Marine army (of the same colour) looks the same? Yes its fine to not convert anything, but people who have the time/skills/ideas etc to make conversions however small or big should definatly not be punished, infact i have seen a point for conversions in painting competition scoring for a couple of tournaments.

If you talking about that thread that came up last week I don't think the guy was in a tournament, I think it was a pick up game were the guy picked up a game with an idiot who walked out after seeing the symbols.

Having other symbols on your guys is no reason for disqualification from a tourny, at least none I have been to. If your using vanilla sm fully painted as ultra marines as space wolves, or a complete dark angels army fully painted as dark angels and use them as vanilla you will occasionally met a player that might complain a bit but it is highly doubtful the TO will boot you because of it.

Now if you just have some other chapter symbols on some guys which is what it sounds like happened then there should be no reason to even complain, let alone be booted from a tourney, I think the guy just met one of those "guys" that have problems with anything and everything.

purplefood wrote:No. It's counts as, as long as it is a legal army then it is fine.

This.

The problem I have is sometimes people go out of their way to just lob bits and pieces from any/all boxed sets they have onto models. There's a local player who has what I like to refer to as "Darkblood Angels".

He took the robed bodies for Dark Angels, painted them bright red, threw on any bits and pieces he could get off local Blood Angels players for cheap, and called it a day.

That kind of thing is unacceptable, period. If you're going to make your own Chapter, take some bloody time and do it right. Don't just glue crap together and say "FINISHED!".

Kanluwen wrote:
That kind of thing is unacceptable, period. If you're going to make your own Chapter, take some bloody time and do it right. Don't just glue crap together and say "FINISHED!".

Agreed. Massively agreed!

I voted No for this poll.

GW specifically stated that the entire reason the marine sets are compatable is because they wanna encourage kitbashing (and by extension more set purchases) within the marine chapters. I think I still have the email I got from them saying so (not quite sure as I might have deleted it).

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:GW specifically stated that the entire reason the marine sets are compatable is because they wanna encourage kitbashing (and by extension more set purchases) within the marine chapters. I think I still have the email I got from them saying so (not quite sure as I might have deleted it).

There is more to "kitbashing" than just gluing things together.

Aesthetics is important component to kitbashing. However if someone thinks DA robed bodies were a cheaper alternative to tactical squads and decided to get some extra arms from BA sets like the Death Company box, there's really nothing wrong with it, so long as he sticks to one codex and dont jump on the next bandwagon.

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Aesthetics is an important component to kitbashing. However if someone thinks DA robed bodies were a cheaper alternative to tactical squads and decided to get some extra arms from BA sets like the Death Company box, there's really nothing wrong with it, so long as he sticks to one codex and don't jump on the next bandwagon.

Er, why would you use extra arms from BA sets?

The DA robed bodies actually come with arms.

But that's irrelevant.

Very few people who I've seen(here and otherwise) doing kitbashing like you're describing do it in such a way that it doesn't actually look stupid as hell.
That is my biggest problem with seeing armies where "other Chapters' bitz" are on them.

Inferno Pistols, Thunder hammers, etc... The DA sprue comes with a good selection, but alot of it's really sub-par compared to what BAs can actually take.

I've seen alot of really good kitbashes on this and alot of the other sites I've been to (Relic, Librarium online, Warseer, etc...) and SM parts are made to be very interchangable, so it's kinda hard to get something that looks crappy unless you either have very weird tastes or are intentionally doing it. Paint schemes ties all of the parts together in the end. The only "bad" ones I've seen involve Space Wolves parts combined with DA (Space Wolves look good with Chaos parts though, thanks to the 13th Company).

Wolves with DA can look okay depending on which parts are mixed.

Wolf arms on DA bodies can look grand with DA/SM heads.

Paintjobs and bitz swaps should be encouraged, not disqualified. I've been doing this game for a LONG time, and nothing is worse than having your creativity stifled by people who just don't get it.

As an example, I like the Blood Angels codex. I can't stand the characters, the color scheme or the fancy-style models. I happen to really like Space Wolf models, but again, not the characters or the colors. So I want to build a Blood Angels army using Space Wolf models and my own color scheme and call them the Coyote Knights.
Why should I have to use models and colors I don't like to field an army I do like?

I'll be like Frank and do it my way.

Kitbashing sometimes is the only way to get a certain part. It's pretty hard to carve out a termie shoulder just so you can give your PA Marines a Thunder Hammer, which can be easily done if you grab one from the DC or SW sprues. However aesthetics is still important. It'd be pretty weird if your Salamanders army has a pretty strong lizard theme, only for all your TH/SS termies to have Wolf Head Hammers (dunno why you'd do that either, since there are enough normal THs for termies, but listing it for the sake of example as I have, jarringly enough, seen it).

This way lies madness. I assume we're talking about this thread - http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/345795.page - so it wasn't actually a tournament, but a single man-beast who flew into a mighty nerd rage over some poor dude using Dark Angels iconocrophy on his otherwise differently painted Codex Marines.

Still, it was stupid. And in a tournament, assuming this is a different scenario involving a man-beast being unable to cope with Dark Angel parts, is even more stupid. Especially if the dude in question paid actual money to participate in said event.

EDIT:

The problem I have is sometimes people go out of their way to just lob bits and pieces from any/all boxed sets they have onto models. There's a local player who has what I like to refer to as "Darkblood Angels".

He took the robed bodies for Dark Angels, painted them bright red, threw on any bits and pieces he could get off local Blood Angels players for cheap, and called it a day.

That kind of thing is unacceptable, period. If you're going to make your own Chapter, take some bloody time and do it right. Don't just glue crap together and say "FINISHED!".

I may not be entirely clear on the situation...but why is this bad? If he's playing a Blood Angel codex and simply likes the look of robbed Space Marines, this seems perfectly sensible to me. My Ad Mech force does something similar...robbed Marine bodies with a Mechanicus shoulder pad from the Marine vehicle kits and basic Marine arms and weapons such as Meltas and Bolters, or an axe since they hace close combat weapons, and a modified backpack. All using Codex: Chaos Space Marine rules. I believe I have some, admittedly somewhat crappy, pictures in my gallery. If you purely dislike the aesthetics, I suppose I can understand it...not everone likes the same look.

If they were DQed, then all Orks should be DQed if they have any kitbashed stuff.

The guy should sue them, if he paid for the tournament.

Kanluwen wrote:
There is more to "kitbashing" than just gluing things together.

Yep. A modicum of forethought. The great majority of it is little more than slapping bits together with glue, though.

Some people plan way ahead, doing sketches and plans and all of that.
Others wing it and go with a more "that looks close enough for me" attitude.

If he was dq'd for having the 'wrong' bits on his models, then all those SM players playing with grey plastic SM should also have been dinged as there is no "Codex: Grey plastic space army men".

I've got DA models in my GK army (an army of psychic daemon-busting monastic space kiniggits? if ever there was one.).
They are painted to fit in (they are my Justicars for my GKPA squads.)

Why has this topic become the discussion of the week? Are there that many players being tossed out of tournaments or refused a game because of this?