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Ok, so I went looking through the FAQ to try and determine what exactly counts for getting bonus attacks from multiple CCWs.

The FAQ states that, close combat weapons, pistols and those that specifically state they are one handed' count.

Now, that last one I've not seen in any dex I've read, and certainly say, the power weapon entry doesn't explicitly say its one handed. Given the number of units that are equipped with power weapon and pistol, it would seem to me that this must mean power weapons fall under 'close combat weapons'. So if special CCWs count, what exactly counts. Only things on page 42 (or things that reference weapons on page 42), anything that specifically states its a close combat weapons? (I doubt its this one, since that would include Tyranid CCWs and nobody plays those that way).

If it is a special CCW, it is 1 handed unless otherwise stated.

Close combat weapons(normal or special) are covered on page 42 of the brb, Power weapons are listed as 1-handed special close combat weapons(as a general rule; specified 2-handed power weapons can exist, also some power weapons may have additional rules that state they can never gain the 2-weapons bonus; for example relic blades).

It doesn't say power weapons are single handed (unless they have a second entry somewhere other than page 42). I already stated that in the op. As far as I can tell no weapon of any kind states this.

Requia wrote:It doesn't say power weapons are single handed (unless they have a second entry somewhere other than page 42). I already stated that in the op. As far as I can tell no weapon of any kind states this.

It doesn't say that ANYTHING is single-handed. Wargear only specifies if it is two-handed. Anything that does not say this is single-handed.

Otherwise, normal close combat weapons would not give a bonus, despite them being listed under the heading "Fighting with Two Single-handed Weapons" and the rules specifying that they do. They would've included non-single-handed weapons (that is, something that doesn't say it is a single-handed weapon) in the section that describes the benefits of single-handed weapons.

The FAQ made a mistake if that's what it says. What counts for bonus attacks are any weapons that do not say they are two-handed, and do not have some sort of other restriction.

The FAQ says any pistol of CCW is considered single handed.

It then goes on to say that any other weapon that specifies itself as single-handed is also considered a 1-handed ccw.

Note it does not say only specified single-handed ccws are single handed

Q: What weapons count as single-handed weapons for the
purposes of gaining additional attacks in close combat? (p37)
A: All pistols, close combat weapons and any weapons
that are specifically stated as single-handed weapons in
their rules.

Quoted and Bolded for proof.

You missed the qualifier on 'any weapons' where you bolded. Since the qualifier makes that irrelevant (as such weapons don't appear to exist), the question is what counts as a CCW.

somerandomdude wrote:

Requia wrote:It doesn't say power weapons are single handed (unless they have a second entry somewhere other than page 42). I already stated that in the op. As far as I can tell no weapon of any kind states this.

It doesn't say that ANYTHING is single-handed. Wargear only specifies if it is two-handed. Anything that does not say this is single-handed.

Otherwise, normal close combat weapons would not give a bonus, despite them being listed under the heading "Fighting with Two Single-handed Weapons" and the rules specifying that they do. They would've included non-single-handed weapons (that is, something that doesn't say it is a single-handed weapon) in the section that describes the benefits of single-handed weapons.

The FAQ made a mistake if that's what it says. What counts for bonus attacks are any weapons that do not say they are two-handed, and do not have some sort of other restriction.

As an example, the eldar codex gives an Autarch options to get: "Singlehanded weapons: scorpion chain sword, power weapon [etc], then go on to give options for two handed weapons. So I guess the Scorpion chainsword would be covered by "any single-handed weapon".

Requia wrote:You missed the qualifier on 'any weapons' where you bolded. Since the qualifier makes that irrelevant (as such weapons don't appear to exist), the question is what counts as a CCW.

What counts as a CCW is already stated on Page 42.

Anything.

If GW were to put out a 1 handed(non-pistol) ranged weapon it would also count as a single handed CCW when paired with another single handed CCW(rifle butts is listed as one of the possible normal ccws on page 42).

I bolded the any weapons only because we were already discussing single handed weapons.

In the current rules very few weapons are considered 2-handed(ranged or CC); if you have a non-specified CCW it is by default single handed.
If you have a non-specified, non-pistol ranged weapon it is by default a two-handed CCW

fayric: a Scorpion Chainsword is a Special CCW, so already falls into the second category of the 3 listed in the FAQ.

Kommissar Kel wrote:The FAQ says any pistol of CCW is considered single handed.

It then goes on to say that any other weapon that specifies itself as single-handed is also considered a 1-handed ccw.

Note it does not say only specified single-handed ccws are single handed

Q: What weapons count as single-handed weapons for the
purposes of gaining additional attacks in close combat? (p37)
A: All pistols, close combat weapons and any weapons
that are specifically stated as single-handed weapons in
their rules.

Quoted and Bolded for proof.

a power weapon is a close combat weapon.

where exactly did I say it was not?

somerandomdude wrote:The FAQ made a mistake if that's what it says. What counts for bonus attacks are any weapons that do not say they are two-handed, and do not have some sort of other restriction.

It wasn't a mistake. It was a catch-all to include older codexes where weapons were classed as single- or two- handed.

By that definition Big Choppas would be single-handed, right?

What leads you to think that? The big choppa entry is pretty clear.

Jidmah wrote:By that definition Big Choppas would be single-handed, right?

Apart from the line where they are defined as 2 handed, you would be right.

Specific > General and all that...

You're right, it says two-handed right in the codex entry... could have sworn it didn't.

Ok i know some power weapons quailfy for this, but does that extend to Power Klaws... I'd say yes due to it obviously being attached to 1 hand
Just looking for a clear answer so I can tell my fellow gamerz

A powerklaw is, indeed, 1 handed

However as it is a powerfist you do NOT get the bonus attack for 2CCW unless you have TWO powerklaws.

insaniak wrote:

somerandomdude wrote:The FAQ made a mistake if that's what it says. What counts for bonus attacks are any weapons that do not say they are two-handed, and do not have some sort of other restriction.

It wasn't a mistake. It was a catch-all to include older codexes where weapons were classed as single- or two- handed.

You're right about old codices, but if they had said "those that do not say they are two-handed" then it would've satisfied both groups, wouldn't it?

They made a mistake on their choice of wording, and lack of reference to weapons that don't classify themselves based on the number of hands they require.