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Farseer (Doom, RoW)
Dire Avengers 10 - Wave Serpent (TL S.Cannon)
Dire Avengers 10 - Wave Serpent (TL S.Cannon)
Banshees 9 w/ Exarch (Acro, Shout, Executioner) - Wave Serpent (TL S. Cannon)
Fire Dragons 4 w/ Exarch - Wave Serpent (TL S. Cannon)
War Walkers 3 (Scat. Lasers)
Wraith Lord (S.Cannon, sword)
Wraith Lord (S.Cannon, sword)
Wraithguard 10 w/ Spiritseer (enhance)

So after 2 comments that kinda rip the list, I guess I won't be getting anything out of my Wraithguard investment for a while.

Here is my 2nd attempt. My question is this: Do I add Eldrad or an Autarch and a Farseer?

DA 5 - Wave Serpent (stones and TL EML)
DA 5 - Wave Serpent (stones and TL EML)
DA 5 - Wave Serpent (stones and TL EML)
DA 5 - Wave Serpent (stones and TL EML)
FD 5 - Wave Serpent (stones and TL S.Can.)
FD 5 - Wave Serpent (stones and TL S.Can.)
War Walkers 3 (Scat. Lasers)
Wraith Lord (BL, EML)
Wraith Lord (BL, EML)

That is the base. I have 220 points left. I am concerned about alpha strike and coming in piecemeal, thus I am thinking cheap autarch. I also see a ton of synergy with Eldrad. I also can see the use of vectored engines and star engines, to max out my speed.

Eldrad could Fortune both Wraithlords, and that would be a fire base that would demand attention, taking pressure off the DA that will ultimately win any objective game for me.

How would you play it from here?

Ok, I'll bite

First thing I notice is that your organization is lacking, generally its easier to read and write if you follow this general order

HQ:
Elite:
Troop:
Fast Attack:
Heavy Support:

That said, I have a pretty good idea of what it is exactly you are running.

As it stands, your list consists of an awkward combination of foot and mech elements.

If you are going to pay that massive amount of points to put Wraithguard on the table, its best taking fortune and conceal. Your investment in that squad is titanic, you are paying 396 points for 10 bodies. Even with enhance they are still rubbish in close combat, having fortune + conceal makes them about 50% more durable to heavy fire, which is needed to help protect your 35 point models.

As for your Wraithlords, they are one of your only bs4 units in the codex, and you are giving them shuri catapults. If you are going to give them heavy weapons, give em bright lances. The reason being is that you're only brining a single dragon squad to a 1850 point game tournament- aside from that you've only got s6 going on. If your opponent brings several heavy tanks... you may be up the creak without a paddle without a few lance volleys.

You also probably do not need an exarch on the fire dragons, he just seems to be wasting 12 points. IF you want to put Exarch's somewhere the Dire Avengers make more use of them. The only reason to take a fire dragon exarch is for crack shot, and if you are very paranoid of smoke.

If you want to do well in a tourney, I'd suggest you drop the wraith contingent of your force, and go all mech. Or drop your mech contingent, and focus on making your wraith wall tough. Trying to do both in a tourney will not make life easy for you.

Akaean hit most of the main points, so I'll jsut toss in a few more pointers.

In my play experience an Exarch on the Dragons is not a totally terrible choice, but it depends on wht you plan to do with them. The only advantage the exarch here is giving you is a bit of wound allocation wiggle room and a single shot at BS5 instead of BS4. If you are planning on just planning of suiciding your dragons upfield like most do, then the upgrade is unnecessary.

Wraithguard... oh how we all wish they worked. Fun concept, killer fluff, look great on paper, but fail is practice. For that 400 points you could literally take 3 units of Jetbike troops or 2 units of DA in Serpents and sadly both of those choices would survive longer and do more for you then a single unit of Wraithguard. At 35pts they are outclassed by fire dragons in their role and without an invul save they get punked a lot faster then you would imagine.

Wraithlords - Really only two options with them: Wraithsword and dual flamers or Brightlance/EML. 100pts of run of the fields and melee something and if it dies then woo you are out 100pts and jsut soaked up a lot of anti-tank. BL/EML combo you sit at your 36" range and pop vehicles till the cows come home, toss guide in for some VERY nasty synergy.


Now with all that being said I'm assuming you are posting all the models you have to work with.

Farseer, Both Runes, Fortune (Goes with Wraithguard)

5 Dragons in a Serpent w/ TL EML
9 Banshees + Exarch w/ Acro, Executioner in a Serpent w/ TL EML

5 DA in a Serpent w/ TL EML
9 DA + Exarch w/ Dual ASC, Bladestorm in a Serpent w/ TL EML
10 Wraithguard + Spiritseer w/ Conceal

Wraithlord w/ Wraithsword, Dual Flamers
Wraithlord w/ Wraithsword, Dual Flamers
3 War Walkers w/ Dual Scatter Lasers

I have a ton more models.

6 WS, 3 FP, 3 Falc, 40 DA, 20 FD, 10 SScorp, 40 Grds, 18 JB Grd, 10 WS, 5 DRpr, 10 Rng, 6 WWalk, 6 Vyp,

I have a lot of options.


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Well I switched over to Mechdar.

Hope it isn't too cookie cutter.

Really wondering about Eldrad vs the Seer/Autarch

wow, no love for this list at all

ArmyC wrote:
Here is my 2nd attempt. My question is this: Do I add Eldrad or an Autarch and a Farseer?

DA 5 - Wave Serpent (stones and TL EML)
DA 5 - Wave Serpent (stones and TL EML)
DA 5 - Wave Serpent (stones and TL EML)
DA 5 - Wave Serpent (stones and TL EML)
FD 5 - Wave Serpent (stones and TL S.Can.)
FD 5 - Wave Serpent (stones and TL S.Can.)
War Walkers 3 (Scat. Lasers)
Wraith Lord (BL, EML)
Wraith Lord (BL, EML)

That is the base. I have 220 points left. I am concerned about alpha strike and coming in piecemeal, thus I am thinking cheap autarch. I also see a ton of synergy with Eldrad. I also can see the use of vectored engines and star engines, to max out my speed.

Eldrad could Fortune both Wraithlords, and that would be a fire base that would demand attention, taking pressure off the DA that will ultimately win any objective game for me.

How would you play it from here?

Eldrad is definately the #1 choice here. Put him in a Serpent that will hang back with the Wraithlords and cast guide on each one (or the war walkers).
Drop the Stone and replace 2 EMLs on the DA with BL and upgrade the two Cannons to Scatter Lasers. With a Serpent spam min/max you will want that extra 12" on the cannons and the BL give you a little flexability .

Be VERY careful though as this list is more fragile then you would think and this is coming from someone that typically plays a very very similar list. This list is all about using you back edge of the board and out ranging your opponents with mobility and selective firing. If you get in their range it's lights out.

The other major issue you will have is that you have nothing to combat SM spam. This is why the list for Serpent Spam typically includes prism/prism/nightspinner or 3 prisms.