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CCS
plasma pistol
heavy flamer
plasma gun
medic
VC
carapace armor
150

PCS
flamer
plasma gun
VC
platoon Standard
power fist
melta bombs
95

Infantry Squad
vox caster
flamer
60

Infantry Squad
vox caster
sniper rifle
bolt pistol
62

HWS
lascannon x2
missile launcher
100

Veterans
power weapon
plasma pistol
grenade launcher x3
grenadiers
135

Armored Sentinel
plasma cannon
searchlight
smoke launchers
81

Leman Russ BattleTank
heavy bolter sponsons
extra armor
185


Any suggestion?

Find Focus in your list. this is kinda going everywhere. what type of guard do you want to run?

Agree. That's a real dogs dinner and is going nowhere.

Put the same guns in the same squads. Heavy flamer is just stupid. Whoever is gonna stand in-front of you're template would just assault you anyway (you can't move and shoot it).
If you're gonna give out a fist give it to the CCS not PCS. 3 attacks base with 3 wounds is much more worthwhile (especially since you're taking carapace and medic.
Put the PCS plasma in the CCS. Give the PCS 3x flamers.
Armoured sentinel is dead. Upgrade russ to plasma sponsons instead. Drop extra armour, you won't be moving it anyway.
Drop HWS, put the heavy weapons in the infantry squads.
Lone sniper rifle is kinda pointless.
Put the CCS in a chimera

Sorry to say it but you need to spend alot more money. But the tri vendetta combo is totally worth the investment.

This is a pretty poor list. You have a significant lack of any kind of killing potential, whilst scattering and/or mixing special weapons across the entire army. Give each squad a particular job to do and equip them accordingly (plasma in CCS to make the most of medic, flamer/GL in PCS, meltas/plasma in Vets, GL-AC or GL-missile launcher or plasma-lascannon in the PIS etc etc).

Sniper rifles aren't worth the paper the rules are printed on. Even less so when you have one single shot at BS3.

Drop the Sentinel and use the points to equip your squads better. Consider meching up key units such as the CCS/Veterans.

In all perfect honesty, I think you need to scrap this list and start all over again. You seem to have gotten far too carried away with throwing bumph onto your squads just because you can, rather than keeping them streamlined, cheap and, ultimately, much more effective.

L. Wrex

optimus-prime-time wrote:Heavy flamer is just stupid. Whoever is gonna stand in-front of you're template would just assault you anyway (you can't move and shoot it).

Actually, the Imperial Guard Codex says that a heavy flamer is "Assault 1", so you can move and shoot it. Although at 15 points more than a standard flamer for only +1 strength, it may not be worth the investment anyway. Not sure, I am still debating that in my own list ... 3+ to wound on MEQ is better than 4+ and they still get their save, so maybe 4 flamers for the price of 1 heavy flamer is better.

I am just starting this list, which is why it's so small.

Don't plasma gun GH wounds fall into the AP2 - no FNP category?

I think what some of the not so bright users of dakka dakka meant to say is you've unwisely and duped into using the all the bitz from the boxes of models which create crap unit wargear combinations. It's not your fault; it's G.W's for doing this kind of stunt.

List, CCS take multiple specials of the same type. Say 4 flamers come to a single heavy flamer you can cover 4 times the amount of models. Considering you're on foot take either 4 plasma guns for 24" shots or autocannon for 48" 2 shots. Same applies to PCS.

Flamers in Infantry Squads do not go because they're just too short ranged. Guard work with volumes of fire power and at range so go autocannons. Also consider a Commissar too.

Heavy Weapons Teams should be the same weapons as firing at the same target. If you're taking these you should consider a Lord Commissar so they get his leadership bubble so they do not run away.

Veterans same apply from the CCS but in this list they do not fit so take another Infantry Squad, well Platoon actually.

Sentinels outflank and are good being mobile in a none mobile Guard list if that makes sense. Give them autocannons outflank and get side/rear armour shots on vehicles and contest objectives.

Replace Leman Russ with Manticore Missile Launcher.

So essentially I need a reboot of this list.

I've heard that Manticores are not very good.

I'm aiming to expand this list to 2000 points, any suggestions for that?

Also, what about HH/Devil Dog/Bane Wolf?
Basilisk?

Uhmmm no not massively. You just need to change wargear that's all.

Manticores can be hit and miss. Sometimes you can get 3 shots and sometimes 1 and sometimes they scatter and mess up, but if you fire direct it causes a lot lot more pain.

You need to decide what direction you want the list to go in. It's not good taking loads of infantry and then a few vehicles because it won't work.

What do you want a mech list or infantry list? Let me know and I will write you one. Tell me what units you like too

I'm looking for a mech list.
I haven't really played that much (two games, both against Tau - won both)
But I like LRBTs, have mixed feelings about Sentinels

Thanks much

Ok ok this is mine feel free to use it/modify it:

Imperial Guard "Steel Lions" - 2,000 points

HQ

Company Command Squad w/ Chimera 4 x plasma guns
Company Command Squad w/ Chimera 3 x plasma guns

Troops

Veterans w/ Chimera 3 x meltaguns
Veterans w/ Chimera 3 x meltaguns
Veterans w/ Chimera 3 x meltaguns
Veterans w/ Chimera 3 x plasma guns
Veterans w/ Chimera 3 x plasma guns

Fast Attack

Vendetta
Vendetta
Hellhound

Heavy Support

Manticore heavy flamer
Manticore heavy flamer
Manticore heavy flamer

Total: 1,990

Switch Manticores to Leman Russes add plasma gun back into the CCS with 3 should leave you 15 points free; add smoke onto the Hound and perhaps a heavy stubber seems it's a fast vehicle.

mercer wrote:What do you want a mech list or infantry list? Let me know and I will write you one. Tell me what units you like too

Not to threadjack, but this is the first time I have ever seen anyone offer to write an army list. That's pretty cool of you. Personally, I'd love to see an Infantry IG list as I usually see all tanks and flyers. Part of the appeal for IG is a ton of normal humans running around against all the baddies of the universe.

Thanks a lot.
I've got to try this.

I believe a Dakkite by the handle of Ailaros (mispelled it) has a rocking infantry only; 80-20 build, and does very well. I follow his blog-reports and have been inspired by it.

Manticores have become a modus operandi of all IG armies. I have not been totally won over, basically because SW armies have been scouting the helll out of them and BA can show up and pop the heck outta them. If you wanna trick out squads, go with vets. HWS are nice, but rarely make their points back.

Russes had a high survivability factor....now that dark lances are running around, we'll have to see what happens.

If you wanna be fast, commit to fast, it's rough to go halfsies on it, especially since BA, SW and DE are becoming more present on the tabletop.

Mercer's list is nice, it commits to fast and can deliver a punch, pop smoke and block LOS...but he has the models to support the list. It takes time. My list attempt to go halfsies...until my income tax comes back!!!

If you blob up, through a commissar in there and give SGT and above a power weapon. If you swing priests, put one with the blobbed sqd and let fury happen!!!

Good luck and keep dem dice rolling!

Infantry heavy guard list comming up...

HQ – Lord Commissar, powerfist -85
HQ – Lord Commissar, powerfist -85

T – INFANTRY PLATOON –1 - 820
PCS -, missile launcher - 45
Infantry squad, Missile launcher -65
Infantry squad, Missile launcher -65
Infantry squad, Missile launcher -65
Infantry squad, Missile launcher -65
Infantry squad, Missile launcher -65
HWS, missile Launchers -90
HWS, missile Launchers -90
HWS, missile Launchers -90
HWS, missile Launchers -90
HWS, missile Launchers -90


T – INFANTRY PLATOON –2 - 820
PCS -, missile launcher - 45
Infantry squad, Missile launcher -65
Infantry squad, Missile launcher -65
Infantry squad, Missile launcher -65
Infantry squad, Missile launcher -65
Infantry squad, Missile launcher -65
HWS, missile Launchers -90
HWS, missile Launchers -90
HWS, missile Launchers -90
HWS, missile Launchers -90
HWS, missile Launchers -90

T – INFANTRY PLATOON –3
PCS -, missile launcher, vox - 50
Infantry squad, Missile launcher -65
Infantry squad, Missile launcher -65

TOTAL – 2000pt



Thats 197 men in total

Thats 45 Missile launchers

And a 5 Hour game.

1. No

flaim wrote:

mercer wrote:What do you want a mech list or infantry list? Let me know and I will write you one. Tell me what units you like too

Not to threadjack, but this is the first time I have ever seen anyone offer to write an army list. That's pretty cool of you. Personally, I'd love to see an Infantry IG list as I usually see all tanks and flyers. Part of the appeal for IG is a ton of normal humans running around against all the baddies of the universe.

Thanks man, I write lists for people quite often. I don't mind writing lists for anyone as long as they tell me what they want which gives me something to work with

Warmastersolon wrote:Thanks a lot.
I've got to try this.

No probs man. Let me know if you need any tactics and also how it goes

Hello hows it going.

Just some observations as I only have 5 games in so far with this edition.

I would say the following.

Go vet with all your squads, hit on 3s is a big dif from 4

Lose the grenadier thing, wont help you out that much because guard are fragile, however its also a blessing because they are cheap and are on the board to fight and die.

spread your heavy weapons among your squads.

Lose the sponsons on the tank, it cant fire it and move and it needs to move. Personally I think your CCS is fine because the CC is the important guy in the squad and 40k isnt chess so you never know what its going to run into and you got it alll covered.

I dunno what else to do but that seems like it would make it better. GLS firing frag have been stone cold marine killers for me for some reason. On paper they dont seem great but I have found that if my guys had slingshots I would use them against marines because the more saves you make them roll the more chances you have of killing them and the only good space marine is a dead one lol. ( sorry been painting word bearers today lol ).

Cya
Brad

No offence Brad but if you haven't got much experience I wouldn't go offering advice, especially when it's not good advice - sorry to piss on your chips. I'll tell you where you're going wrong.

Veterans are better shooters but this is a infantry list and you can only have six troop choices which is 60 Veterans not a lot for a infantry list. Platoons are better for infantry lists.

The CCS isn't fine at all because for that single heavy flamer you can get 4! 4 I tell thee! and then it's got a plasma gun for close range firing, bad wargear combindation.

infantry list gotcha!

No offence taken. I played Dbm against you Brits alot and you take your wargaming to a whole other level. Albeit not always a great level but its a different level thats for sure lol.

cya
Brad

What's Dbm bud?

15mm ancients wargame rules by Phil Barker

British historical gaming society or BHGS as found on the web. It was a fun set of rules and great for tourney play. The British in my opinion were the undisputed kings because they had it into a science. They were hard to beat, and the only thing I thought was way these guys break it down to the point that you ran each army a certain way. I just like a little fluff and romantic last stands and fighting against the odds sometimes so whenever I play a rules set i start off my own thing then invariably switch to the right way. Im still new at 40k so right now I am in the fun do it my way mode but with alot of losses I will soon convert to the dark side i am sure lol

Can't say that I've heard of it TBH.

I was the same. I used to buy what's cool looking and go from there but I often found the cool stuff wasn't actually that good and would end up sitting on my shelf acting as a expensive plastic dust gatherer.

mercer wrote:Thanks man, I write lists for people quite often. I don't mind writing lists for anyone as long as they tell me what they want which gives me something to work with

I didn't want to use this thread as my own since I didn't start it, but mercer I started another thread if you (or anyone else) would like to work on a specific IG Infantry list for me.

The link to that post is here.

Flaim