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Hello, I am trying to focus on having more T6 on my tyranids to make them harder to kill. The good old nidzilla. Witch of the following 1750 builds is best, ando how would you improve on them?

List one (long ranged terror)

HQ
1 Tervigon, Catalyst, Toxic Sacks, Cluster spines 185

Elite
3 Hive Guards 150
3 Hive Gaurds 150
3 Venonthropes 165

Troops
1 Tervigon, Catalyst, Toxic Sacks, Cluster spines 185
16 Termagants, Devourers 160
1 Mystic Spore, Cluster spines 50

Heavy Suport
Tyranofex, rupture Cannon, Clsuetr Spine, Desicrator Larva 265
Tyranofex, rupture Cannon, Clsuetr Spine, Desicrator Larva 265
Mawlock 170

1745

List 2 (worm terror)

HQ
1 Tervigon, Catalyst, Toxic Sacks, Cluster spines 185

Elite
3 Hive Guards 150
3 Hive Gaurds 150
3 Zoanthropes 180

Troops
1 Tervigon, Catalyst, Toxic Sacks, Cluster spines 185
16 Termagants, Devourers 160
1 Mystic Spore, Cluster spines 50

Fast Attack
15 Gargoyles, Toxic Sacks, Adrenal Glands 120

Heavy Suport
Trygon 200
Trygon 200
Mawlock 170

1750

Both pretty terrible sorry, and i wasn't aware that you could equip hormagaunts with death spitters ><, need to outline what is fastattack HQ and such in your lists, first hint is not to take tyranofexs'

I don't think they are pretty terible. Both have 36 thoughnes 6 wounds. They have plenty of scoring models. And they have the long ranged suport to take down tanks.

The long ranged list have 12 wounds with 2+ saves, and the tervigons will be that as well as soon as they get the feel no pain (it will be 3+ and then 2+.) If my oponent has the means to kill them early on I got the venom thropes to increase there survibilaty. It is only a bit zynapse light. The mawlock and drop pod are very good once the transports are popped.

The worm list got plenty of high threats that needs to be delt with fast (gargoyles and the wurms) the trevigons will be giving the trygons feel no pain. Zoanthropes are plan A vs droping dreadnoughts/marines and AV14. If all else fails the trygon will charge.

Can somebody else besides Dave_Nz post something? Preferably withouth going for the bastard of the year award.

Your lists are going in two opposite directions, one shooty, the other assault focused. Both of which are very viable in this edition. For the most part you have followed theme for each list but you have some odd choices in each list(maybe due to limited models) that prevent the lists from reaching their full potential.

Your first list is probably the better one and is one the whole pretty solid. The Mawloc stands out as the sole CC unit in the whole list. I think a better choice would be a Harpy with a HVC that swaps in for the same point value. While you lost T6, I think the better shooting potential is worth it, plus the harpy can be a potent assault unit in its own right. The second thing I would like to change is to move the HQ tervigon to troops so that it is scoring. To do that, I think we need to drop the devourer gaunts and their pod back down to two 10 man basic squads of termagaunts. That leaves us with 95 points for an HQ choice which works out to a LW/BS Tyranid prime who goes with the Venomthropes to soak S8 hits and provide some CC muscle.

HQ
1 Tyranid prime w/ LW/BS 95

Elite
3 Hive Guards 150
3 Hive Gaurds 150
3 Venonthropes 165

Fast Attack
1 Harpy w/ HVC

Troops
1 Tervigon, Catalyst, Toxic Sacks, Cluster spines 185
1 Tervigon, Catalyst, Toxic Sacks, Cluster spines 185
10 Termagaunts 50
10 Termagaunts 50

Heavy Support
Tyrannofex, rupture Cannon, Clsuetr Spine, Desicrator Larva 265
Tyrannofex, rupture Cannon, Clsuetr Spine, Desicrator Larva 265

1750

I live razors list better then yours the mawlock does stand out way to much I think the harpy is great idea and I might steal that list razor lol !!

Cool. It is not from the lack of models, I just think that it is a solid list. I am trying to focus on T6 so that I will survive and preferably kill my oponent in the mix.

As for the razor list: I do not have a harpy though :-/ I agree that the mawlock is an odd one out. But it will force my oponent to spread out during deployment so I can try to do a resreve flank move deployment since I only have a few MC's. Also it will be very good once I manadge to pop a transport.

In my mind both the harpy, the mawlock and the "devover spore" do the same jobb, and that is shooting down infantery.

HQ
1 Tyranid prime w/ LW/BS 95

Elite
3 Hive Guards 150
3 Hive Gaurds 150
3 Venonthropes 165

Troops
1 Tervigon, Catalyst, Toxic Sacks, Cluster spines 185
1 Tervigon, Catalyst, Toxic Sacks, Cluster spines 185
10 Termagaunts 50
16 Termagants, Devourers 160
1 Mystic Spore, Cluster spines 50

Heavy Support
Tyrannofex, rupture Cannon, Clsuetr Spine, Desicrator Larva 265
Tyrannofex, rupture Cannon, Clsuetr Spine, Desicrator Larva 265

1750

I do not have the hots for the heavy venom cannon. It just seems bad. What the harpy does well is shoot infantery and charge tanks. I know it will stun a tanks but against my regular oponent (regular SM ranged mech spam) I doubt that it will live through the round due to his 3 auto cannon dreadnoughts.

*Bump*

Come on people. :-(