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if a fearless squad or independent character lose an assault do they take armour saves equal to the amount of wounds they lost by?

Yes.

No retreat gives you wounds equal to the amount you lost by, with armor saves allowed.

No biggie to MEQ
An irritation to GEQ
Frickin LETHAL to swarm Nids and Orks ..

thanks

And remember that in a multi-unit assault EACH Fearless unit on the losing side takes the number of wounds equal to the amount by which the side lost. Just as non-Fearless units each take a penalty to their Morale test equal to the amount by which their side lost.

This is why any good tyranid player will try to avoid getting both a carnifex and gaunts in the same combat.

Exactly right. Otherwise you KNOW, the lesser unit will be attacked in order to spam 20+ fearless saves on your bigger beasties!

And why you should usually choose to assault the unit when joined with an independent character because you can assault the IC by spamming fearless saves.

Where's the page number on this? I've read it, but it came up in a game where I was not believed, and I couldn't find it.

Shenra wrote:And why you should usually choose to assault the unit when joined with an independent character because you can assault the IC by spamming fearless saves.

Until this point everything in the thread was correct. This is wrong, if the IC is joined to the unit it takes leadership checks or fearless saves 'with the unit.' Example - if you lose by 3 in a 4 man unit with an attached IC and are fearless you can allocate 3 fearless wounds to any of the 5 models.

I think the idea he's giving it to take out enough of the unit that the controlling player is forced to assign wounds to the IC, just without any eloquence.

I don;'t think that would work reliably though, and ICs tend to have a lot of wounds and you'd have to keep them from hitting back.

It works vs Tyranids because the Hive Tyrants/Trygons/Carnifexes etc aren't independant characters, nor part of the termagant squad that takes all the casualties in the combat.

Requia wrote:Where's the page number on this? I've read it, but it came up in a game where I was not believed, and I couldn't find it.

No Retreat! Page 44

Thanks.