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Game 4 – annihilation – total points in army / number of units in army = value of kill points per unit. Dawn of War deployment

The least pleasant game of 40k I have every played, this guy’s reputation is fair weather gamer

Asurman
Farseer with doom, fortune and guide
9 Dire avengers with bladestorm and defend in wave serpent with shuriken cannons
9 Dire avengers with bladestorm and defend in wave serpent with shuriken cannons
10 guardians with shuriken cannon
10 guardians with shuriken cannon
Fireprism
Wraithlord with rocket launcher and scatter laser
2x warwalkers with brightlances and missile launchers

Dawn of war scenario
He deploys wave serpent with ashurman and 9 avengers
I deploy nothing

Turn 1
He brings on everything except guardians all hiding in the left rear corner
I bring on everything except my troops with their vehicles

Turn 2
He forgets to roll reserves, when I prompt him he waves it off saying turn already started
Wave serpent with named character moves 24 down my left flank, casts fortune
Fire prism rips cannon off one of my vindicators

I miss reserve rolls
Move my armour up centre
2 speeders take shots at his fast moving wave serpent, both miss
My predator kills a war walker in cover
My land raider kills the second
I thought these guys were separate, they were together ina squadron – sill mistake because later I played conservatively thinking was in front, although we were tied

Turn 3
One of his two guardians come on single file spread right across the centre of the board from my left to right
He drops farseer out of serpent, farseer then runs fleets and charges through cover and kills my predator
Guardians hit my speeder and I fail cover save, it cannot move or shoot
Wave serpent takes MM off speeder

In reply my land raider kills his farseer and wave serpent (love the POMS)
Rest of shooting bounces off his cover saves

Turn 4
Remaining guardians stay off
Ashurman runs out of sight with 9 avengers and stays there rest of game
He declares the scatter laser carried by the guardians can be ‘any model’, ‘in fact its not a model’ , so rather than be difficult I watch as he moves it about 18’ from my right to my left of his guardian squad, then shoot it at my speeder which then cannot move or shoot. Im feeling pretty dark about this, still not sure if its right however it definitely feels very wrong.

In reply I move my heavy armour to protect the stunned speeder
All my shooting again bounces off his cover saves, I do immobilise his fireprisim in the back right corner facing the whole board though

Turn 5
His guardians come on
I have kills farseer, waveserpent and 2 warwalkers here and he has killed 2 speeders and a predator – I figure im in front so I play conservative, presenting an armour 13 and 14 front to his remaining nest in the rear left corner.
Shooting bounces off me, he makes loads of cover saves but I immobilise his second wave serpent.
At this stage I was playing way too soft. If I charged my raider the previous turn there was a wraithlord, immobilised fire prisim and a waveserpent (now immobilised) – I realise now they out of charge range being around 18 away, so I move LR forward 6 and hope for turn 6.

Game ends
Turns out I didn’t bring on my rhino to the board,
I had farseer, waveserpent and squadron of warwalkers
He gets speeder, speeder, predator (fairly killed) and rhino and tac squad
Draw due to excessive caution on my part turns into loss.

I gave this guy 2 out of 5 for comp and think he is way too over competitive to want to play again.

GO ELDAR

This guy was the biggest loser I have ever played, nothing against Eldar however this guy ruined my day.

Dont want to get stuck playing him and his $900 per tank commissioned army again

You gave him 2/5 for comp?! For that terrible list?

This is why comp scoring is slowed. I LOST!! the list must be OP! (when it clearly is a subpar eldar list)

I must agree with kill dem stunties, the eldar list looks aight. Plus the game sounds like fun from what you tell us and from the fact that he sticks to forgetting his reserves even though you seem to have given him the chance to get them, he doesn't seem to be a waac player... where's the problem?
The list had no seers council or avatar and didn't spam any nasty stuff... still I liked the bat rep

This guy is 100% WAAC

People refuse to play him he is that bad

My criticisms of him in this game are too many to bother documenting, suffice to say I have no beef with his list

Rather its how he plays the game that sucks death

I was warned before I played him he was a fairweather gamer

In turn 1 I killed both his warwalkers and he had a little tanty

He rolled dice while I was not watching then said they all hit

He moved artillery pieces from one side of a single line of guardians to the other, so the artillery piece moved like 18 in one turn cause 'its not really there so I can have it anywhere on any guardian'

While its within the rules that game I forgot to bring on my rhino and tacs turn 5 so they count as dead (so im told) it still feels crap to lose that way

I gave him 2/5 for sportsman ship - for other games I gave a 3 and 3 fours. I told him I was giving him a 2 and told him why.

Found out later he game me 0 which means he thinks I should have been ejected from the tournament.

So I have played 2 tournaments, 10 games in all, this is the first guy I can hand on heart say 'that guy is a dick'

Edit removed comments on commission painted army. No problems there, and is a spectacular army.

I don't understand what him having a commissioned army has to do with anything unless he claims he painted them himself. You mad jelly or something?

@LA: Ok now I understand your frustration with this player. It's sad that people resort to cheating (or giving extremely low sportsmanship marks!) when they are losing, that's not what 40k is about :/

@Theduke: I think what LA's problem with the comissioned army is, is not that he's jelly or just hatin for no reason, but rather (from what I understand) that the player is boasting and feeling like a complete pro or that instead of like most people investing some time in their armies to make them personal and cool, the player just wants an army without a lot of effort with which he can beat people. This is just my understanding.

lg
FFE

"Guardian Heavy Weapon Platform: heavy weapons mounted on assault platforms are treated as assault weapons in all respects. It has two Guardians as crew, and must stay in coherency with at least one of the crew. One crewman may fire the platform instead of his shuriken catapult. Line of sight and range are always drawn from the firing crew member. If one crewman is kill the platform is operated as normal by the other crewman; if both crew are killed the platform is removed. The model itself is always ignored, including when measuring ranges to the unit, and when counting the number of models in the unit. It is essentially a marker; assume that the gun is actually being carried by the crew member that is firing it." PG 39 Eldar Codex

The support platform crew should be clearly indicated by your opponent. The marker can move basically wherever he wants to, its just a marker. However if he's saying that he has one crew on one side of the squad and the other and the opposite side then that is a clear violation of the rules. Each crew must remain within 2" of each other. However what I'm wondering is how far out of range he was, I mean that Scatter Laser has a range of 36" after all....

Hobby Elitism is awful. I have a commissioned army and I feel good putting it down on the table because I know it looks good. However you should never run anyone down for having unpainted mini's or mini's painted at a particular level. 40k is damn time consuming, and painting and modeling only adds to that. Some people really enjoy it, some people just want to play a wargame.

Sorry all im not having a go at a commissioned army

My CSM army is all commission painted and I love it and have no trouble playing it

Forget the commissioned army bit

I guess im blowing off steam at what I perceive as a player who takes winning and their staus in the 40k community way too seriously

The part about the guardian weapon platform - EB thank you for typing out the rules, I dont have the Eldar codex - was that no crew members were ever nominated if you can imagine this

x x x x x x x x x x Y

(...clear...)___________
(...clear...)___________

*O*

'x' above represents a guardian model, Y the gun platform, the double line a building, the 'clear' bit was open (needed for dakka formatting) and *O* my razorback

what he did was this, in one turn switched the weapon platform to my left flank, like this

Y x x x x x x x x x x

(...clear...)___________
(...clear...)___________

*O*

claiming the model did not really exist, it could be anywhere in the unit - in doing so he suddenly had full visibility and range onto my vehicle

it was the total experience playing this guy that was so distasteful - hard to document here and to be honest I dont think Dakka a good forum for me to vent, im over it now, but part of my beef was I exchanged a weekend another time with my wife for this tournament weekend, and this game really destroyed my sunday, so half my weekend was ruined by this game

Yes its my fault to let me mood be ruined and I should have thicker skin, in that regard im dissapointed in myself, but I did get really frustrated and irritated.

So I guess really the only learning I can take is be a nice player and play within the spirit of the rules as well as the written rules and then everyone has a better time.

He drops farseer out of serpent, farseer then runs fleets and charges through cover and kills my predator...

Am I missing something here? The Serpent is not an assault vehicle and the Farseer does not have a spear.

Player mentality is 90% of what makes playing 40k either a fun or miserable experience. Im sorry you had to get a raw deal. I just have to ask, this being a tournament and all, did his sheet not list the rule for weapons platforms? I was under the impression that at big tournaments like that one you had to list all the special rules that don't appear within the main 40k rulebook for your army.

It's always worth looking them over. I can't tell you how upset I was (at myself and my opponent) when I found out that Jaws of the World Wolf has a -1 modifier against monstrous creatures. Coulda saved Fateweaver and the Demon Prince....

No, only reason I reported what he had is because I spent 20 mins with his single sheet before the game asking what was what. Never mentioned ability for platform to teleport across the squad.