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Librarian - Shield, Rage

Honor Guard - 4 plasma guns

2 Sanguinary Priest, one with a jump pack - the other on foot

Furioso Dreadnaught - Magna Grapple, Blood Talons
Furioso Librarian - Shield, Rage

10-man Assault Squad, 2 Meltaguns, SGT with PW, BP and meltabombs
10-man Assault Squad, 2 Meltaguns, SGT with PF
10-man Tactical Squad, Meltagun, SGT with PF and Combi-melta

2 Stormravens - TL AC, TL MM, Hurricane Bolters

The Librarian, Honor Guard and Furioso Dreadnaught pile into one of the Ravens
A Sanguinary Priest, Tactical Squad and Furioso Librarian pile into the othe Raven

Both Ravens benenfit from Shield from the Librarians

The Assault Squads and othe Priest DoA onto Objectives. The Ravens light up armor or hordes as needed. The Tactical Squad also OBJ sits. The Honor Guard and Dreadnaughts kill stuff.

Ill deepstrike the list, concentrating the force on a single flank or otherwise limiting return-fire as much as possible.

Are there any Raven lists out there people like?

I like it...

I am planning on running a list like this for Ard Boyz. I've only been running 1 SR in an 1850, but at 2500 why not put 2 or 3? Run it flat out 24" get your 4+ cover save and still fire one weapon. If you use the 4+ you could probably lose the shield from the libs. I think its only a 5+ cover save. Plus if you're feeling lucky, you can move flat out and deploy both the squad in the SR and the dread, but you do have to deal with scatter. Of course DOA applies to JP units.

I too like the idea of having that psychic hood in the SR. If you do it right you can have up to 8ft of psyker protection.

I use a little diff psychic powers on the Furioso Lib. I put Wings of Sanguinus with Sanguine Sword. Which potentially means a jump pack Dreadnought with a Str 10 force weapon.

I'd lose the Tac squad for an Assault squad - maybe in a razorback (no JP).

I'd also trade out that PW for a PF in your 10 man Assault squad and add one or two to your honor guard. There is the eternal debate about PW vs PF, but the below article has convinced me that I want to run PF's. They're more versatile and going at I1 isn't so bad when you can eliminate the wound allocation game.

http://rumorsofheresy.blogspot.com/2010/12/weapons-vs-fists.html


My 2 cents.

You do not need magna grapple for the Furioso with the talons as it should be butchering infantry, not vehicles.

I think with having two Ravens charging ahead and being the only two targets on the table while rest is in reserve I think the army will be easy to beat. Pop the Storm Ravens or damage them and that's them out of action and two units pissing in the wind while the other squads arrive from reserve.

When that doesnt happen though - itll be lots of fun to play Hopefully I get just one solid movement phase out of each of the Ravens getting the cargo close enough to have effect. Youre right about the grapple of course. I wanted to include it simply for is uniqueness. I can swap it for a heavy flamer and MB's on a Priest.

But it will happen, Providing you move 18" to get your 4+ cover save and fail that you automatically lose the troops inside if they dont have a jump pack and the dreadnought takes a strength 4 hit to it's rear armour? I would include the ravens in a Mech list with a few more targets the enemy can shoot at. Otherwise those stormravens are going to disappear really fast.

I am not a fan of hurricane bolters... you dont need more s4 in my opinon.

Every time I think about a SR list, I want to incorporate death company with lemartes. 5 death company with 1 PF, and lemartes, can go in a raven despite lemartes having that jump pack. The DC are only 125 with a fist, pretty cheap considering, and with reroll to hit/wound butcher things.

Also, the DC let you get a DC dread, which is a great buy considering you dont need to worry about shaken/stunned.

The plasma squad is not a bad idea, but seems a waste of potential. Consider the plasma squad is, what, almost 200 points? Why not grab assault termies instead? Thammers and furious assault lclaws will outperform plasma guns most of the time, while being more survivable with that 2+/3++ save. Makes the libbys rage better as well.

kaiservonhugal wrote:When that doesnt happen though - itll be lots of fun to play Hopefully I get just one solid movement phase out of each of the Ravens getting the cargo close enough to have effect. Youre right about the grapple of course. I wanted to include it simply for is uniqueness. I can swap it for a heavy flamer and MB's on a Priest.

The grapple is pretty cool but on a Dreadnought with blood fists, Death Co Dreadnoughts with blood fists are pretty cool.


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DevianID wrote:I am not a fan of hurricane bolters... you dont need more s4 in my opinon.

Every time I think about a SR list, I want to incorporate death company with lemartes. 5 death company with 1 PF, and lemartes, can go in a raven despite lemartes having that jump pack. The DC are only 125 with a fist, pretty cheap considering, and with reroll to hit/wound butcher things.

Also, the DC let you get a DC dread, which is a great buy considering you dont need to worry about shaken/stunned.

The plasma squad is not a bad idea, but seems a waste of potential. Consider the plasma squad is, what, almost 200 points? Why not grab assault termies instead? Thammers and furious assault lclaws will outperform plasma guns most of the time, while being more survivable with that 2+/3++ save. Makes the libbys rage better as well.

Why would you take Lemartes and not jump packs on the Death Company? That means Lemartes can only move 6" then, pointless.

Because Honour Guard can put down a lot of fire power, give feel no pain and aren't combat like Terminators which is going a different direction and changes the list.

Interesting take on a hybrid blood angels list.

However, I agree with others in this thread that the storm ravens are going to get pasted. I would rather pod in the dreads, not take the ravens and look at some vanguard.

But then, that's not really a hybrid list anymore.

I would think about out-of-the-box things to squeeze more points out of the list, like dropping the tac squad for 5 scouts with camo cloaks and sniper rifles for a static scoring unit.

I concur w/everybody here that you want to give your enemy more to shoot at or they will target your SRs.

I'm not sold on the Vanguards yet. I've run them a couple of times thinking I'd heroic assault from DS, but guess what...scatter still sucks. Yeah you get to a 6" assault, but you only nail your target on a 1 in 3 chance. Plus its diffiult to estimate as technically you could scatter anywhere in a twelve inch circle. There are times this does not bode well. Such as a) a shooty army hugging the edge of the board - you DS off the table - best case you get to put back in reserve b) Enemy is densely packed (hordes) scattering onto another unit - Mishap c) IG has Office of the Fleet -1 to all reserve rolls - units come in to late to be effective.

All 3 have happened to me when using VV.

Not to be a negative nelly on DS as I think BA w/Heroic Intervention looks good on paper, but so far it hasn't panned out for me. Maybe I just have bad luck.

IMO BA's best advantage is in fast tanks, Baals especially. Mathematically, you are more likely to pen AV14 because of rending and re-rolls w/TLAC than with TLLC.

Assault squads w/Razorback & TLAC are nice. Sure they are FA11, but they are cheap and fast and better than getting shot up crossing the field with smaller size JP squads.

Why would you take Lemartes and not jump packs on the Death Company? That means Lemartes can only move 6" then, pointless

Well, lemates is awesome but the jump pack holds him back. DC are awesome with a chappy (and lemartes is fantastic as stated) but jump packs are hideously overpriced. Thus, a storm raven is the only way to get decently costed DC with the awesome lemartes in a transport.

As for honor guard, 8 s7 ap2 shots is nice, dont get me wrong. BUT, 15 s8(maybe s9) thunderhammers are twice as nice, with a higher str and the ability to inflict 10 more s8 attacks in the enemy phase. Also, 3++ invuln save.

If you really want a plasma star, why not just take sternguard with combiplas. Cheaper with more shots.

I like the Terminator idea a lot. Thanks for the help on this

Stormraven is too much of a weapons platform to run it full out to get the cover save...so keep the librarians. If you move it full out and fire one weapon you're wasting alot of potential. Now if it's already used it's bloodstrike missiles and the typhoon missile launcher or lasgun has been destroyed, by all means move flatout. But until then it's not worth the cover.

Stormraven is too much of a weapons platform to run it full out to get the cover save

I hear ya, but if you want what's in the SR to assault , youI will probably need to more than 12".

BTW, termies are great, but they don't reroll wounds with a chaplain/reclusiarch/astorath. Go which way you want. Here's my breakdown:

5 man TH Termie squad w/SP - 275 pts
OTC (4x/1 Sgt)Termies - 3 (Str 10) Attacks each at I2 for 15 Total Attacks - Rolling 4's to hit against MEQ, Rolling 2's to wound
OTC SP - 4 (Str 5) Attacks at I5 - Rolling 4's to hit against MEQ, Rolling 3's to wound
19 Total Attacks

6 man DC w/Lemartes - 270 pts
OTC (6x) Foot slogging DC (BP/Chainsword) - 4 (Str 5) Attacks Each at I5 for 24 Total Attacks - Rolling 3's to hit against MEQ, Rolling 3's to wound, re-rolling failed hits and wounds
OTC Lemartes - 4 (Str 5) Attacks at I7 - Multi-wound and if he takes a wound goes to 5 Attacks at S5 - Rolling 3's to hit against MEQ, Rolling 3's to wound, re-rolling failed hits and wounds
28 Total Attacks

I think my math is right. I guess it breaks down to what you want to do with whats coming out of the SR. Anti-vehicle/anti-monstrous (Termies) or anti-inf (DC).

I like the DC because they are relentless, usually go first in assault OTC, and Lemartes is big and bad. However, they can lack an anti-vehicle punch. I usually throw a fist or two in there. I don't worry too much about rage. It can bite you, but I usually have an enemy in the neighbor hood to go after. It's also a waste to put JPs on them.

DevianID wrote:

Why would you take Lemartes and not jump packs on the Death Company? That means Lemartes can only move 6" then, pointless

Well, lemates is awesome but the jump pack holds him back. DC are awesome with a chappy (and lemartes is fantastic as stated) but jump packs are hideously overpriced. Thus, a storm raven is the only way to get decently costed DC with the awesome lemartes in a transport.

As for honor guard, 8 s7 ap2 shots is nice, dont get me wrong. BUT, 15 s8(maybe s9) thunderhammers are twice as nice, with a higher str and the ability to inflict 10 more s8 attacks in the enemy phase. Also, 3++ invuln save.

If you really want a plasma star, why not just take sternguard with combiplas. Cheaper with more shots.

Er, Chaplain. Does the same job which is what you want. Lemartes just has a funky special rule for 160 points that's all.

Two different roles Honour Guard and Terminators like comparing apples and pears.