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Trying to plan my purchases ahead of time with an army list... tried posting a list here a while back but didn't get much response, hoping I can throw myself on your mercy for more help lol

The list: (2000 pts)
L: Sorcerer Lord - Lv4, Third Eye of Tz, Talisman of Preservation, Chaos Steed = 364

H: Exalted Hero - BSB, Necrotic Phylactery, Talisman of Endurance, Charmed Shield = 180

H: Exalted Hero - MoK, Biting Blade, Dragonhelm, Seed of Rebirth, Ironcurse Icon = 155


C: 16 Warriors - Shields, Full Command, Banner of Eternal Flame = 296
C: 16 Warriors - Shields, Full Command, Standard of Discipline = 301
C: 45 Marauders - MoK, GW, Mus and SB = 312
C: 5 Warhounds = 30
C: 5 Warhounds = 30

S: 6 Chaos Ogres - Chaos Armour, GW, MoK = 330

Total: 1998


Intention is for Sorc to be able to rove around, blasting (thinking Death? or Shadow?) spells, the BSB to go with a unit of Warriors, and the 2nd Exalted Hero to join the Marauders (give them some artillery def too)

I know it's more than a little hero heavy, but the model that made me decide definitively on WoC was the Khorne Hero on the skull platform.... and the only way to fit him in, was to drop the BSB OR have him be the Lord and have a mere Hero level Sorceror, OR drop magic alltogether!

Advice? Suggestions? Add/takeaway upgrades? (Also, Ogres are just too awesome, like them to stay!)

I don't use skinny people in my army, so take my suggestions on units with a grain of salt. However, is there a reason you're taking sword-and-board warriors instead of ones with halberds? I believe it's a fine choice but they need MoT... and it also seems to make sense to put a character with ironcurse icon in there. Personally, I'd like to see one unit with halberds and perhaps MoK... but others can comment better here.

A link to a bit of discussion about it (but comparing to AHW warriors, which seem to be the worst of the options):
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/346681.page

I would solve the modelling dilemma simply by putting a flag (you can even magnetize it pretty easily) on the awesome WoC character's base. That lets you drop the "extra" noble, and invest in one of the following:

1. Chopping 50 more points (standard of discipline, 5 marauders, and another 10 point item) from the list and adding a Hellcannon

2. Adding 2 more ogres, musician and standard, for a unit that can actually throw it's weight around. With 25 points to spare to fill things out. I personally like the idea of the Rapturous Standard on a unit of shielded warriors, like Boss_Salvage's old 7th edition trick. If you're trying to make them a bunker, I think you need to go the whole way. I'd still like to see the other unit with halberds. Also, people usually run them 6-wide, which would make you want 17 with a character or 18 alone.

Definitely try to get mus/std in the ogres, even if you don't add bodies- it helps them out a lot, I think. Obviously, all of my suggestions are to add things, but I really think you could go with a bad@$$ MoK BSB with that model (which you can still make survivable) and save yourself the points for so many other things

Edit: I noticed I never addressed this, but with the way the WoC book is laid out, imho there's no reason not to take the marks you need. Going "Khorne and Unmarked" is nice on paper, but doesn't really win you any "comp credits" imho. Going all Khorne would, but it leaves you with a very one-dimensional army. So I wouldn't worry about putting in marks (MoT most notably in the warriors units) in where you need it. However, you could very conceivably go all-khorne since your BSB would be (changing to crazy-halberd-weilding warriors for those units, instead of shields), and just leave the sorcerer unmarked.

What Lore are you running with the Sorcerer?

Also, with the Steed he won't get Lookout Sir so might be vulnerable to warmachines and their ilk.

If you don't have a movement dependent lore (for unmarked WoC that's probably Death due to short range), it might be worth running him on foot, or if you can afford to add anything (to go up to 2200-2400) or take away anything add some Knights to ride with.

If you put any characters with the marauders, consider getting the Champion as he's quite inexpensive compared with others and can save a life (or the life of many if he challenges a big nasty!)

I like the look of the list so far, and really can second a lot of what RiTides said. Especially on the point of Marks. I run/ran my WoC markless for the most part, having but one mark in 2000 points, and while it sort of works, I wasn't exactly getting pats on the back for having an awesome hamstring. (Well, I was getting them from Salvage, who then curb stomped me with little green skaven. Repeatedly.) On the plus side, if you build 2000 with few to no marks you can expand to 2400 or so pretty simply by just adding them in with a toy or two.

Personally, I run my warriors 6x3 with halberds and shields, and they are a really good time when you get them into combat. If I were tight on points, I would drop the shield and keep the halberds. Also, Banner of Flame on one of the units makes for a brutal anti-regen unit.

To get points for that, I would pull some items off the characters. Your Khorne hero is plenty awesome with MoK and the Dragon Hat, and maybe a Sword of Swift Striking (I am a big fan of rerolls on characters.) And a mundane shield if the model has it. Lots of rerolling Str5 attacks is plenty. You could go even cheaper with just sword, board, dragon hat and ironcurse icon and be pleased that he is dumping out as many Str5 attacks as the rest of the rank himself.

Also, a standard and musician on the ogres is a good plan. Musician first probably, then standard.

Well, I quite like the list as is. Rock solid core, little bit of chaff, smashy ogre unit for MI fun, fairly interesting chaos hero loadout. Also, no obvious RED or BLUE marked warriors, which I always find refreshing (though as noted it's a clear concession, as MoT is so cheap but instantly useful. All the same, concessions being made = good listing building IMO). I do have some thoughts:

+ I'd pop the charmed shield onto the level 4, as he won't be getting a LOS! roll (as noted).
+ Necrotic phylactery and Talisman o' 5+ are both talismans, so it's one or the other. I'd take the 5+ ward, and perhaps toss the phylactery on the khorne nutter ...
+ Khorne nutter has somewhat strange gear, and I feel like we could put his points to better use. I might take a page from Wehrkind here: ASF sword, dragonhelm, ironcurse, perhaps phylactery if it's 10.
+ Why 16 warriors each? It would be nice to have 18 in each, and having a unit with halberds (the flaming ones) would be groovy times, for variety and killing death.
+ 45 marauders? We can make that an even 40 and grab 20 points for other things.
+ Ogres need musician, but I don't think we have points for a standard here.

Those are my demands! And below is where I try to make things work out, should you want to peek ...

- Salvage

First off, thank you guys VERY much for the feedback! Seriously!

RiTides, I think your quite right about the practicality of the Marks (and Halberds to boot). I admit I have been doing my reading on the site when other WoC lists pop up, to see what you guys have thought of those too, and had figured to try for something a little different. But, the brutality of a 90% Khorne List is scary as hell (not willing to go Tz/Khorne, would be happy for pure Tz, but have reasons [see:Khorne Hero Model of Wicked Posing] to go at least some Khorney )

And while I really do like the idea of having a murder-death-kill Hero (c'mon, really, it's awesome!) it does seem that the common wisdom that 3 heroes is too much for most 2k lists is common for a reason.

Taking what you guys have said (and especially ty for the list Boss Salvage!), here is another run at a list:

2000 Point List

L: Sorcerer Lord - Lv4, Third Eye of Tz, Talisman of Preservation, Charmed Shield = 345

H: Exalted Hero - BSB, Talisman of Endurance, Ironcurse Icon, Dragonhelm, Shield = 185

C: 18 Warriors - MoK, Full Command, Halberds, Banner of Eternal Flame = 358
C: 18 Warriors - MoK, Full Command, Halberds = 348
C: 40 Marauders - MoK, SB, Music, Great Weapons = 242
C: 5 Warhounds =30
C: 5 Warhounds = 30

S: 8 Ogres - MoK, Great Weapons, Chaos Armour, Music, SB = 460

Total: 1998



- So dropped the mount on the Lord, but unsure of that, also gave him the Charmed Shield, figured it's great either way for 'just in case' (gonna be getting the model of the Fallen, a Nazgul, and replacing his sword with something more Chaosy. But will have the choice of mounted or neg)
- Condensed the two heroes a bit, now has a 2+/5++ (well 2++ v fire), so can be pretty beastly AND remains the BSB for the army
- Made both groups of Warriors frothy-mouted berserkers cause, hey, more of those is better yeah? Was wondering though, what about shields? I know there isn't points here at the moment for it, but is it a waste to give them shields? Seems like modelling wise it just looks more awesome...
- Shrank the Marauders. Not sure on this, can't keep them horded for long if I want to, but can run deep ranks of angry guys too
- Made the Ogres a wrecking ball. Hesitant, as not only is getting the extra two ogres gonna be a bit more work (packs of 6 etc), but it's a LOT of points all in one unit

Also, sorry about the magic items on the first list, missed the 'one per category' limit.... feel kinda sheepish

Stole your formatting a bit Salvage, tyvm