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Hey dakka community. Long time 40k player wanting to get into fantasy. I have no idea what army to start with so i'm hoping I can get some feedback from people who have actually played the armies. Looking through the army books at the local gw store isn't cutting it.

I would like:
Medium-high ld
Medium-high speed
Not reliant on magic

Thanks for reading and I look forward to hearing from representatives of all armies

Sounds like you want Chaos Daemons.

Obrek wrote:I would like:
1. Medium-high ld
2. Medium-high speed
3. Not reliant on magic

WoC/DoC – 1&2 maybe 3 but it'll be hard.
Dwarves – 1&3.
Lizardmen/HE/DE – 1&2.

Yeah they aren't fast, but if you hate magic go dwarf. You can shut down an enemy spell caster through a series of characters and runes. Also some people don't know this but they actually do get a magic phase and generate power dice for dispelling remain in play spells. The downside is their speed, it's slow, but with random charges in 8th it helps, and they can march within 6 inches of an enemy.

A saurus-heavy Lizardmen army could work without magic, but it would be really hard. Just put them down in big blocks of 30+. Saurus are one of the most reliable block troops in the game with their Cold-blooded rule and decent save.

I'd say Dark Elves meets all three of those requirements, although our magic can be very nice, we can dish out a very nasty army without taking a Sorceress.

Beastermaster on Manticore, Hydra to preform the high damage attacks you'd expect from the better spells. Loads of quick movement from various units, especilally Dark Riders and Harpies.

Of course taking just a Lvl 2 one can open up a couple of nasty spells if the random roll is with you. But if you really dislike magic, I am quite confident Dark Elves don't hamstring themselves by not bringing one.

Thank you all for your feedback. Looking really closely at DE and dwarfs right now. It's not that I don't want any magic, more along the lines of not practically being forced to take heavy magic to be competitive, as I'm told VC is. The reason I'm looking at average or higher MS and LD is because I'd like to be able to use strategies where I can purposely flee combats and potentially lead people into chasing me(assuming the LD check needed to avoid chasing is still in effect) and have a better than average chance of rallying, not causing panic in units I might pass through, and a good chance of getting away on my flee rolls. I understand that those are ultimately down to the dice gods, but even a slight advantage in those areas might make or break a game.

It's true, Vampire Counts can't hope to be viable without being heavy magic users - however like Tomb Kings their magic is absolutely integral to how their army functions. They clearly fail your speed test as well. As do Dwarves. I think the Chaos armies are the direction you described, though Dark Elves fit the bill.